OT: It's arrived!
paulm at paulm.com
Tue Nov 6 11:40:54 GMT 2007
On Nov 6, 2007 3:05 AM, Lyle - CosmicPerl.com <perl at cosmicperl.com> wrote:
> Paul Makepeace wrote:
> > On Nov 6, 2007 2:16 AM, chromatic <chromatic at wgz.org> wrote:
> >> On Monday 05 November 2007 17:48:58 Lyle - CosmicPerl.com wrote:
> >>> Likewise I'll not employ a sysadmin until I understand most
> >>> of these things and how they work together, otherwise I'll not be in a
> >>> good position to make a good selection.
> >> That's kind of an epistemological problem (Hi Simon!): how are you going to be
> >> able to evaluate the resources you need to use to learn these things if you
> >> don't believe you know enough to evaluate system administrators
> > Out of a set of inputs you can correlate for internal consistency, and
> > discard outliers. If you do this iteratively and match against past
> > results and deductions your filter should get better & better. So long
> > as you didn't start out with a pile of crap :)
> > **
> > Lyle you seem to have a false dichotomy between DIY & employing a
> > sysadmin. There is a middle ground of using a hosting service that
> > manages hardware. Certainly until you actually have a deployable site
> > you're wasting money buying hardware simply because it isn't being
> > used to its full potential. In other words your assets are
> > depreciating without generating revenue. Better to get everything set
> > up on e.g. a tenner/month VM somewhere and when it's ready consider
> > moving up the hosting chain. (VM's are nicer to learn on too.) It
> > could be six months even a year before your site gets to full traffic.
> > In that time technology will've marched on and what you spent now will
> > buy shinier toys...
> I was on £10/month hosting over 8 years ago. I've already moved up the
> chain to a dedicated box and now my own co-lo. My software is CPU
> intensive and not Bandwidth intensive, a co-lo machine was the most cost
Why is it in perl if it's CPU constrained?
> effective way of doing it and I saved myself a lot of money even without
> the hosting service being launched yet. A VPS wouldn't have had enough
> RAM, and a dedicated box with a good CPU and RAM spec would have cost me
> hundreds a month.
> I didn't know about load balancing or remote BMC, but I do now. You seem
> to be under the impression that I haven't a clue, when I know about a
Where did you get that idea from?
I'm simply pointing that buying hardware that's not about to be used
is a waste of money.
> great many things of running a web server. IPtables, Apache with SuEXEC
> and script controls working, Tomcat, BIND, SpamAssassin, loads of stuff.
> > I realize ultimately none of this you really want to hear. You just
> > want to get your hands on shiny toys YESTERDAY.
> > P
> >> -- c
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