From evdb at ecclestoad.co.uk  Mon Dec  3 10:07:23 2007
From: evdb at ecclestoad.co.uk (Edmund von der Burg)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:07:23 +0000
Subject: Whisky Competition!
Message-ID: <f0145aa60712030207l38bdc1afscf3bd2250210bd54@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Following some wonderful generosity from the lovely people at
Shadowcat Systems at the London Perl Workshop I find myself in
possession of a rather good bottle of whisky.

There is only one downside to this otherwise pleasing state of affairs
which is that I don't drink whisky.

So I propose a competition, the winner of which shall be presented
with the bottle at the next social!

The rules are:

  * you must provide Perl code that says why you should have the bottle.
  * it shall be run as 'perl file_containing_your_code.pl'
  * the reason shall be printed to STDOUT
  * your code must be <= 4 lines, with each line having <= 72 characters.
  * the final winner shall be selected by a hastily formed group of
judges at the next social
  * the winner (or a representative) must be present to collect the
bottle, otherwise another will be chosen.
  * entries must be mailed to me OFF LIST by 4pm Thursday

Marks will be awarded for:

  * artistic style
  * devlishness
  * humour

Good luck!

Edmund.


-- 
In reality I'm evdb at ecclestoad.co.uk - http://ecclestoad.co.uk
Drive in the UK? - sign this: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/displaythespeed/

From simon at thegestalt.org  Mon Dec  3 10:29:01 2007
From: simon at thegestalt.org (Simon Wistow)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:29:01 +0000
Subject: All Hail the Golden New Age of Prosperity
Message-ID: <20071203102901.GH42776@thegestalt.org>

After the wildly successful 2007 London Perl Workshop and associated 
fringe drinking events London.pm heas a new leader.

Due to geographical inconvenience (plus I've been doing it for far too 
long already) I've stepped down and Greg McCarroll has taken over the 
reins and has been handed the ceremonial stuffed camel and monkey 
beating stick.

All mail to leader at london.pm.org now goes to him and, in time honoured 
tradition, my name has been erased from history in a Stalinesque purge 
of facts.

In short - go bother him now.

It's been ... emotional.

Simon



From evdb at ecclestoad.co.uk  Mon Dec  3 10:50:50 2007
From: evdb at ecclestoad.co.uk (Edmund von der Burg)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:50:50 +0000
Subject: Whisky Competition!
In-Reply-To: <f0145aa60712030207l38bdc1afscf3bd2250210bd54@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f0145aa60712030207l38bdc1afscf3bd2250210bd54@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f0145aa60712030250n4e19b89ah8e0ab302e649133a@mail.gmail.com>

Some clarifications:

  * The whisky is a 'Glenlivet 12'

  * code cannot be interactive (ie no asking questions etc)

  * 5.10 features may be used

  * copying my home directory to a remote server, deleting it locally
and then holding me ransom would score high on 'devlishness' but low
on 'humour' and so is unlikely to win :)

Cheers,
  Edmund.

On 03/12/2007, Edmund von der Burg <evdb at ecclestoad.co.uk> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Following some wonderful generosity from the lovely people at
> Shadowcat Systems at the London Perl Workshop I find myself in
> possession of a rather good bottle of whisky.
>
> There is only one downside to this otherwise pleasing state of affairs
> which is that I don't drink whisky.
>
> So I propose a competition, the winner of which shall be presented
> with the bottle at the next social!
>
> The rules are:
>
>   * you must provide Perl code that says why you should have the bottle.
>   * it shall be run as 'perl file_containing_your_code.pl'
>   * the reason shall be printed to STDOUT
>   * your code must be <= 4 lines, with each line having <= 72 characters.
>   * the final winner shall be selected by a hastily formed group of
> judges at the next social
>   * the winner (or a representative) must be present to collect the
> bottle, otherwise another will be chosen.
>   * entries must be mailed to me OFF LIST by 4pm Thursday
>
> Marks will be awarded for:
>
>   * artistic style
>   * devlishness
>   * humour
>
> Good luck!
>
> Edmund.
>
>
> --
> In reality I'm evdb at ecclestoad.co.uk - http://ecclestoad.co.uk
> Drive in the UK? - sign this: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/displaythespeed/
>


-- 
In reality I'm evdb at ecclestoad.co.uk - http://ecclestoad.co.uk
Drive in the UK? - sign this: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/displaythespeed/

From david at dorward.me.uk  Mon Dec  3 11:24:45 2007
From: david at dorward.me.uk (David Dorward)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:24:45 +0000
Subject: Whisky Competition!
In-Reply-To: <f0145aa60712030250n4e19b89ah8e0ab302e649133a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f0145aa60712030207l38bdc1afscf3bd2250210bd54@mail.gmail.com>
	<f0145aa60712030250n4e19b89ah8e0ab302e649133a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <727E4948-DDFD-4ECB-A80D-876AAD88A544@dorward.me.uk>


On 3 Dec 2007, at 10:50, Edmund von der Burg wrote:
>   * copying my home directory to a remote server, deleting it locally
> and then holding me ransom would score high on 'devlishness' but low
> on 'humour' and so is unlikely to win :)

Can we have a third party adjudicator of the humour score please?

-- 
David Dorward
http://dorward.me.uk/
http://blog.dorward.me.uk/



From jns at gellyfish.com  Mon Dec  3 11:57:27 2007
From: jns at gellyfish.com (Jonathan Stowe)
Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:57:27 +0000
Subject: Scary
Message-ID: <1196683047.8972.0.camel@coriolanus>

I'm beginning to think that maybe google ads are getting too clever for
comfort:

   http://www.its-going-to-be-fabulous.com/oof.png

/J\

From philip.newton at gmail.com  Mon Dec  3 12:16:36 2007
From: philip.newton at gmail.com (Philip Newton)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:16:36 +0100
Subject: All Hail the Golden New Age of Prosperity
In-Reply-To: <20071203102901.GH42776@thegestalt.org>
References: <20071203102901.GH42776@thegestalt.org>
Message-ID: <537d06d00712030416o60df3126gf8da99ed240e2851@mail.gmail.com>

On Dec 3, 2007 11:29 AM, Simon Wistow <simon at thegestalt.org> wrote:
> All mail to leader at london.pm.org now goes to him and, in time honoured
> tradition, my name has been erased from history in a Stalinesque purge
> of facts.

Eurasia has always been at war with Eastasia.

I, for one, welcome our new NI overlords.

Cheers,
-- 
Philip Newton <philip.newton at gmail.com>

From adrianh at quietstars.com  Mon Dec  3 12:25:46 2007
From: adrianh at quietstars.com (Adrian Howard)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 12:25:46 +0000
Subject: Scary
In-Reply-To: <1196683047.8972.0.camel@coriolanus>
References: <1196683047.8972.0.camel@coriolanus>
Message-ID: <36905D8E-DAA8-4907-978E-D6FDEBD39226@quietstars.com>


On 3 Dec 2007, at 11:57, Jonathan Stowe wrote:

> I'm beginning to think that maybe google ads are getting too clever  
> for
> comfort:
>
>    http://www.its-going-to-be-fabulous.com/oof.png

When there's an advert for a Buffy box set in there too - then I  
start worrying...

Adrian

From andy at hexten.net  Mon Dec  3 12:30:11 2007
From: andy at hexten.net (Andy Armstrong)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 12:30:11 +0000
Subject: Scary
In-Reply-To: <1196683047.8972.0.camel@coriolanus>
References: <1196683047.8972.0.camel@coriolanus>
Message-ID: <ED4DCB59-EABB-417F-A80F-89A0EBE30768@hexten.net>

On 3 Dec 2007, at 11:57, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
> I'm beginning to think that maybe google ads are getting too clever  
> for
> comfort:
>
>   http://www.its-going-to-be-fabulous.com/oof.png


Probably more sentient than I was on Sunday morning :)

-- 
Andy Armstrong, Hexten





From ti at lemonia.org  Mon Dec  3 12:58:29 2007
From: ti at lemonia.org (ti@lemonia.org)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 12:58:29 -0000 (GMT)
Subject: All Hail the Golden New Age of Prosperity
In-Reply-To: <537d06d00712030416o60df3126gf8da99ed240e2851@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20071203102901.GH42776@thegestalt.org>
	<537d06d00712030416o60df3126gf8da99ed240e2851@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65051.172.16.1.1.1196686709.squirrel@clear.mail.jail.lemonia.org>

> On Dec 3, 2007 11:29 AM, Simon Wistow <simon at thegestalt.org> wrote:
>> All mail to leader at london.pm.org now goes to him and, in time honoured
>> tradition, my name has been erased from history in a Stalinesque purge
>> of facts.
>
> Eurasia has always been at war with Eastasia.
>
> I, for one, welcome our new NI overlords.

The overlords who say... Ni!

*dramatic chords*

ti'


From wiggly at wiggly.org  Mon Dec  3 13:14:45 2007
From: wiggly at wiggly.org (Nigel Rantor)
Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 13:14:45 +0000
Subject: All Hail the Golden New Age of Prosperity
In-Reply-To: <20071203102901.GH42776@thegestalt.org>
References: <20071203102901.GH42776@thegestalt.org>
Message-ID: <47540145.2000204@wiggly.org>

Simon Wistow wrote:
> After the wildly successful 2007 London Perl Workshop and associated 
> fringe drinking events London.pm heas a new leader.
> 
> Due to geographical inconvenience (plus I've been doing it for far too 
> long already) I've stepped down and Greg McCarroll has taken over the 
> reins and has been handed the ceremonial stuffed camel and monkey 
> beating stick.
> 
> All mail to leader at london.pm.org now goes to him and, in time honoured 
> tradition, my name has been erased from history in a Stalinesque purge 
> of facts.

Sorry, who are you?

   n


From chisel at herlpacker.co.uk  Mon Dec  3 13:36:23 2007
From: chisel at herlpacker.co.uk (Chisel Wright)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:36:23 +0000
Subject: All Hail the Golden New Age of Prosperity
In-Reply-To: <47540145.2000204@wiggly.org>
References: <20071203102901.GH42776@thegestalt.org>
	<47540145.2000204@wiggly.org>
Message-ID: <20071203133623.GQ9726@herlpacker.co.uk>

On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 01:14:45PM +0000, Nigel Rantor wrote:
> Sorry, who are you?

I'm Spartacus.

-- 
Chisel Wright
e: chisel at herlpacker.co.uk
w: http://www.herlpacker.co.uk/

  For this and the answers to many other questions don't ask me.

From nick at ccl4.org  Mon Dec  3 14:20:27 2007
From: nick at ccl4.org (Nicholas Clark)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:20:27 +0000
Subject: Emergency Social - Pembury Tavern tomorrow
Message-ID: <20071203142027.GW7829@plum.flirble.org>

Tomorrow the Pembury Tavern will start serving the one and only barrel
of Milton Io (9.2% ABV)*

The fact that this might otherwise get away without me trying some is clearly
an emergency, and I intend to be there to taste it:

http://london.randomness.org.uk/wiki.cgi?Pembury_Tavern%2C_E8_1JH

Advantages of the Pembury:

:-) 16 hand pumps, usually about 8 with beer on and one with cider:
    http://www.individualpubs.co.uk/pembury/drinks.html
:-) Good food (last food orders at 9pm)
:-) Pint to line glasses
:-) Pints of tea (I find this more dangerous than the beer)
:-) Sensibly priced soft drinks and fruit juice
:-) Free wireless
:-) Friendly landlord
:-) Pool, bar billiards and board games

Disadvantage of the Pembury:

:-( It's in zone 2

Mitigating factors:

It's 2 minutes walk from Hackney Downs station, which is a 10 minute ride from
Liverpool Street, with 10 trains an hour. Last trains back in on weekdays are
2213, 2214, 2219, 2228, 2229, 2243, 2244, 2249, 2258, 2259, 2313, 2314, 2319,
2328, 2343, 2344, 2349, 2359, 0015

It's not far from Hackney Central, on the North London Line^W^W^W"Overground"

I'm told that buses run from Hackney to more places in North East London than
you can shake a stick at.

If you're rostered "on call" it's a practical place to connect in from.

Nicholas Clark

* In the extremely unlikely event of it turning out to be off or otherwise
  undrinkable, they won't. Decent pubs have standards, after all.

From greg at mccarroll.org.uk  Mon Dec  3 14:28:26 2007
From: greg at mccarroll.org.uk (Greg McCarroll)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:28:26 +0000
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] London.pm December Meeting
Message-ID: <20071203142826.GA4898@mccarroll.org.uk>


(Cross-posted, please be careful)

London.pm - December '07 Meeting (6th).

This month at the request of our two brummie friends, JJ and Barbie,
we will be meeting at the Prince Arthur (near Euston) - making this
their 3rd London.pm meeting-of-sorts in 7 days - not too shabby for
out of towners.

It's a pretty good pub IIRC with Thai food, table service and some 
good beers (Spitfire, Landlord and Pride). However for a better review 
and the location see ...

  http://london.randomness.org.uk/wiki.cgi?Prince_Arthur,_NW1_1BX

It's quite a small pub and although we've reserved a couple of tables
please do arrive early to help us claim more (although December meetings 
tend to be small intimate affairs anyway).

We will be toasting our out-going leader who is heading for the land
of startups, tofu and cosmo's. So if you'd like to thank him for his hard 
work please make sure his pint glass is full all evening and his wallet
remains in his pocket.

Another person to thank is Kake the pub minion who has already started
work on finding and reserving January's pub, feel free to get her a
cidah at some stage over the next year and/or add any comments you have 
about the pub's we'll be going to, to the RGL (thats the link above, as 
well as being our pub minion Kake helps run the above site).

Std blurb ...

Social meets are a chance for the various members of the group to meet
up face to face and chat with each other about things - both Perl and
non Perl - and newcomers are more than welcome. The monthly meets tend to
be bigger than the other ad hoc meetings that take place at other times
and we make sure that they're in easy to get to locations and the pub
serves food (meaning that people can eat in the bar if they want to.)
They normally start around 6.30pm (or whenever people get there after
work) and a group tends to be left come closing time.

If you're a new comer or other first timer (even if you've been lurking
on the mailing list or on IRC) then please seek me out - we have a
tradition that the leader of this motley crew buys the new people a
drink (alcoholic or not, either's fine) and introduce them to people.

Greg

From graham at theseamans.net  Mon Dec  3 15:57:09 2007
From: graham at theseamans.net (graham)
Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 15:57:09 +0000
Subject: All Hail the Golden New Age of Prosperity
In-Reply-To: <20071203133623.GQ9726@herlpacker.co.uk>
References: <20071203102901.GH42776@thegestalt.org>	<47540145.2000204@wiggly.org>
	<20071203133623.GQ9726@herlpacker.co.uk>
Message-ID: <47542755.3010600@theseamans.net>

Chisel Wright wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 01:14:45PM +0000, Nigel Rantor wrote:
>> Sorry, who are you?
> 
> I'm Spartacus.
> 

Must.. resist.. temptation. LOL. <cackles evilly>

Graham



From stig at brautaset.org  Tue Dec  4 13:04:45 2007
From: stig at brautaset.org (Stig Brautaset)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:04:45 +0000
Subject: want a ticket to see Paradise Lost 5th December?
Message-ID: <F938E278-46E0-4737-BB7B-15F938E690CE@brautaset.org>

Paradise Lost[0] is playing Islington Academy tomorrow, 5th December,  
and I have an extra ticket. Any takers? Keep in mind that you would  
have to actually join me in going to the concert.

Stig

[0] http://www.paradiselost.co.uk/
-- 
http://code.brautaset.org
http://blog.brautaset.org



From stig at brautaset.org  Wed Dec  5 08:39:54 2007
From: stig at brautaset.org (Stig Brautaset)
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:39:54 +0000
Subject: want a ticket to see Paradise Lost 5th December?
In-Reply-To: <F938E278-46E0-4737-BB7B-15F938E690CE@brautaset.org>
References: <F938E278-46E0-4737-BB7B-15F938E690CE@brautaset.org>
Message-ID: <FD8C6ABC-DA81-499E-9E8A-79D2923404B6@brautaset.org>

On 4 Dec 2007, at 13:04, Stig Brautaset wrote:
> Paradise Lost[0] is playing Islington Academy tomorrow, 5th  
> December, and I have an extra ticket. Any takers? Keep in mind that  
> you would have to actually join me in going to the concert.

Just thought I'd say that this is still available.

Stig

-- 
http://code.brautaset.org
http://blog.brautaset.org



From kaoru at slackwise.net  Wed Dec  5 10:46:53 2007
From: kaoru at slackwise.net (Kaoru)
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 10:46:53 +0000
Subject: Laptop Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <474EE1D0.1050905@wiggly.org>
References: <F911FB881481FD449EDC83805CF57DE903AD16@sv091885.ztb.icb.commerzbank.com>
	<474EBFEA.3080804@wiggly.org>
	<20071129152034.GJ12874@bytemark.barnyard.co.uk>
	<474EE1D0.1050905@wiggly.org>
Message-ID: <2bb533fc0712050246rd50e984l755664a6269cac4d@mail.gmail.com>

On Nov 29, 2007 3:59 PM, Nigel Rantor <wiggly at wiggly.org> wrote:
> Hmm...thinkpads can handle 4Gb eh....damn, I still don't know what to
> get though. Thinkpad, Vaio, Thinkpad, Vaio, Thinkpad, Vaio......
>

As someone who's owned two Vaios, I say go with the Thinkpad.

- Alex

From nick at ccl4.org  Wed Dec  5 16:05:42 2007
From: nick at ccl4.org (Nicholas Clark)
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:05:42 +0000
Subject: Emergency Social - Pembury Tavern tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <20071203142027.GW7829@plum.flirble.org>
References: <20071203142027.GW7829@plum.flirble.org>
Message-ID: <20071205160542.GX7829@plum.flirble.org>

On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 02:20:27PM +0000, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> Tomorrow the Pembury Tavern will start serving the one and only barrel
> of Milton Io (9.2% ABV)*

> http://london.randomness.org.uk/wiki.cgi?Pembury_Tavern%2C_E8_1JH
> 
> Advantages of the Pembury:

> :-) Pints of tea (I find this more dangerous than the beer)

unfortunately the jug pint glass they were using for the pints of tea has
broken, and so these are no longer available.

But I forgot some advantages

:-) Ferrets welcome
:-) Home made pork scratchings
:-) The barman last night (not Steve, the Landlord) was wearing a PEBKAC
    t-shirt
:-) The menu on the till for "how do you want you steak done" starts at "blue"


[It had other options. Whether this is regarded as good, I'm not sure :-)
Also the Carcassonne set now has 2 more expansions, and so is even more
confusing tactically. I came last. I usually do]

> * In the extremely unlikely event of it turning out to be off or otherwise
>   undrinkable, they won't. Decent pubs have standards, after all.

It was dangerously drinkable. Well, more tersely, dangerous. :-)

If it lasts until Sunday I will be drinking some more. But in moderation.

Nicholas Clark

From tjc at wintrmute.net  Wed Dec  5 23:05:26 2007
From: tjc at wintrmute.net (Toby Corkindale)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:05:26 +1100
Subject: want a ticket to see Paradise Lost 5th December?
In-Reply-To: <FD8C6ABC-DA81-499E-9E8A-79D2923404B6@brautaset.org>
References: <F938E278-46E0-4737-BB7B-15F938E690CE@brautaset.org>
	<FD8C6ABC-DA81-499E-9E8A-79D2923404B6@brautaset.org>
Message-ID: <20071205230526.GA10830@roseberry>

On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 08:39:54AM +0000, Stig Brautaset wrote:
> On 4 Dec 2007, at 13:04, Stig Brautaset wrote:
>> Paradise Lost[0] is playing Islington Academy tomorrow, 5th December, and 
>> I have an extra ticket. Any takers? Keep in mind that you would have to 
>> actually join me in going to the concert.
>
> Just thought I'd say that this is still available.

And I'd totally take you up on the offer if I was in London.
Major downside to being back in Australia: Far less gigs, and they're pricey
when they do happen.

tjc

From stig at brautaset.org  Wed Dec  5 23:27:37 2007
From: stig at brautaset.org (Stig Brautaset)
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:27:37 +0000
Subject: want a ticket to see Paradise Lost 5th December?
In-Reply-To: <F938E278-46E0-4737-BB7B-15F938E690CE@brautaset.org>
References: <F938E278-46E0-4737-BB7B-15F938E690CE@brautaset.org>
Message-ID: <F508C483-BCC2-48DE-8E17-6B39DFF2B7B1@brautaset.org>

On 4 Dec 2007, at 13:04, Stig Brautaset wrote:
> Paradise Lost[0] is playing Islington Academy tomorrow, 5th  
> December, and I have an extra ticket. Any takers?

For the record: it was an *awesome* concert.
>


Stig
-- 
http://code.brautaset.org
http://blog.brautaset.org



From Smylers at stripey.com  Wed Dec  5 23:48:53 2007
From: Smylers at stripey.com (Smylers)
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:48:53 +0000
Subject: Cufflinks
Message-ID: <20071205234853.GA2067@stripey.com>

A friend has requested cufflinks for Christmas, silver (presumably she
means silvery-coloured, rather than made from silver).

Can anybody suggest where to buy these?  Preferably in Zone 1 and open
after work tomorrow (I'll be arriving at Paddington and travelling to
the pub meeting near Euston, via a cufflink vendor).

Oh, and if I end up somewhere which has a choice of silver cufflinks on
sale, any advice on discerning which are the 'nicest' would also come in
handy!

Thanks.

Smylers

From acme at astray.com  Thu Dec  6 08:08:57 2007
From: acme at astray.com (Leon Brocard)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:08:57 +0000
Subject: Dim sum Today 1pm Dragon Castle
Message-ID: <a92222c80712060008p190cfe52y6482c9f3a96880a8@mail.gmail.com>

You know, I miss dim sum. I miss it so much that I want to have dim
sum today. Come have dim sum with me:

  Dragon Castle
  114 Walworth Road, SE17 1JL
  http://www.squaremeal.co.uk/restaurants/london/view/84056/Dragon_Castle
  http://www.multimap.com/maps/?hloc=GB|SE17%201JL
  Today, 1pm

It's just an informal gather. We turn up, grab some food, then
disappear into London only to meet up a few hours later for the
social. I'll be the one with the camel.

See you there, Leon

From simon at thegestalt.org  Thu Dec  6 08:29:39 2007
From: simon at thegestalt.org (Simon Wistow)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:29:39 +0000
Subject: [REVIEW] Programming Collective Intelligence
Message-ID: <20071206082939.GC96935@thegestalt.org>


Author: Toby Segaran
ISBN: 0-596-52932-5
Publisher: O'Reilly Associates

The field of data mining is a tricky one to write about. For a start 
what you're mining depends on the nature of your business and the shape 
of the data - there is no one-size-fits-all technique, no off the shelf, 
drag and drop solution.

Secondly some of the techniques require some pretty tricksy maths and 
even if you do understand them then once they're applied you still have 
to interpret the results and tweak the multitude of input variables. 
Building a data mining tool - from a search engine to a collaborative 
filter to a genetic algorithm - is an art as much as a science or 
engineering problem.

So all that said, you should buy this book.

Reading it will help you understand why I just said all that. But it 
will also give you a bunch more techniques in your mental toolbox so 
that when you're looking at a problem you can think "Ooooh! I 
remembering reading about some problem like that" and then you can go 
pick up the book again and use it as a reference manual rather than 
reading it from cover to cover.

And there's a goodly number of techniques to pick up and there's a lot 
to cover - there are chapters on collaborative filtering and 
recommendation systems, clustering and group discovery, search and 
ranking techniques, document filtering, Bayesian classification, kernel 
methods and support-vector machines, and genetic algorithms, amongst 
others.

Each chapter gives an overview of the problem domain, gives an example 
problem and then walks the reader through a simple solution. The 
problems with the solution are then highlighted and various enhancements 
are shown.

The techniques are demonstrated in Python - although they are all clear, 
understandable and perfectly legible to any competent programmer, 
especially a scripting language programmer. Just enough detail is 
covered to give you a solid grounding without getting you bogged down.

In summary - this is well worth your 20 quid, even more so if you can 
get your company to pay for it. If you're working with existing data 
this may spark off an inspiration that will let you add some new 
features or up your accuracy. Or if you're presented with a problem this 
book may give you techniques that will help you solve it without having 
to work everything out from first principles. It's well written manual 
that'll handily expand your repetoire.


From martin at antibodymx.net  Thu Dec  6 11:15:36 2007
From: martin at antibodymx.net (Martin A. Brooks)
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:15:36 +0000
Subject: Cufflinks
In-Reply-To: <20071205234853.GA2067@stripey.com>
References: <20071205234853.GA2067@stripey.com>
Message-ID: <4757D9D8.1000303@antibodymx.net>

Smylers wrote:
> Can anybody suggest where to buy these?  Preferably in Zone 1 and open
> after work tomorrow (I'll be arriving at Paddington and travelling to
> the pub meeting near Euston, via a cufflink vendor).

John Lewis (Oxford Street)
Selfridges (also Oxford Street)



From spiros at lokku.com  Thu Dec  6 11:22:11 2007
From: spiros at lokku.com (Spiros Denaxas)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:22:11 +0000
Subject: Cufflinks
In-Reply-To: <20071205234853.GA2067@stripey.com>
References: <20071205234853.GA2067@stripey.com>
Message-ID: <bba689ec0712060322v58804a30ybe0385fe720c1801@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know why I know this, but there's a pretty decent place at Covent
Garden market, at the lower ground floor.
 Its a small shop, I don't remember the name though..

Hope this helps,
Spios

On Dec 5, 2007 11:48 PM, Smylers <Smylers at stripey.com> wrote:

> A friend has requested cufflinks for Christmas, silver (presumably she
> means silvery-coloured, rather than made from silver).
>
> Can anybody suggest where to buy these?  Preferably in Zone 1 and open
> after work tomorrow (I'll be arriving at Paddington and travelling to
> the pub meeting near Euston, via a cufflink vendor).
>
> Oh, and if I end up somewhere which has a choice of silver cufflinks on
> sale, any advice on discerning which are the 'nicest' would also come in
> handy!
>
> Thanks.
>
> Smylers
>

From Robin.Barker at npl.co.uk  Thu Dec  6 11:22:23 2007
From: Robin.Barker at npl.co.uk (Robin Barker)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:22:23 -0000
Subject: Cufflinks
Message-ID: <46A0F33545E63740BC7563DE59CA9C6D093970@exchsvr2.npl.ad.local>

> Can anybody suggest where to buy these?  Preferably in Zone 1 and open
> after work tomorrow (I'll be arriving at Paddington and travelling to
> the pub meeting near Euston, via a cufflink vendor).

I would try Tie Rack - probably one at Paddington and Euston

Robin
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From adrianh at quietstars.com  Thu Dec  6 11:50:31 2007
From: adrianh at quietstars.com (Adrian Howard)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:50:31 +0000
Subject: [REVIEW] Programming Collective Intelligence
In-Reply-To: <20071206082939.GC96935@thegestalt.org>
References: <20071206082939.GC96935@thegestalt.org>
Message-ID: <F9F84076-61D8-419C-AC32-BEBB005B43EF@quietstars.com>

I almost bought this at LPW. Now I definitely have too. Damn.

Adrian

From david at dorward.me.uk  Thu Dec  6 11:54:27 2007
From: david at dorward.me.uk (David Dorward)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:54:27 +0000
Subject: Cufflinks
In-Reply-To: <20071205234853.GA2067@stripey.com>
References: <20071205234853.GA2067@stripey.com>
Message-ID: <8790E57E-9D48-4191-95BF-A7DBA9BFC98B@dorward.me.uk>


On 5 Dec 2007, at 23:48, Smylers wrote:

> A friend has requested cufflinks for Christmas, silver (presumably she
> means silvery-coloured, rather than made from silver).
>
> Can anybody suggest where to buy these?  Preferably in Zone 1 and open
> after work tomorrow

Any department store on Oxford St, or Tie Rack.

-- 
David Dorward
http://dorward.me.uk/
http://blog.dorward.me.uk/



From Smylers at stripey.com  Thu Dec  6 11:58:09 2007
From: Smylers at stripey.com (Smylers)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:58:09 +0000
Subject: Cufflinks
In-Reply-To: <46A0F33545E63740BC7563DE59CA9C6D093970@exchsvr2.npl.ad.local>
References: <46A0F33545E63740BC7563DE59CA9C6D093970@exchsvr2.npl.ad.local>
Message-ID: <20071206115809.GB28465@stripey.com>

Robin Barker writes:

> > Can anybody suggest where to buy these?  Preferably in Zone 1 and open
> > after work tomorrow (I'll be arriving at Paddington and travelling to
> > the pub meeting near Euston, via a cufflink vendor).
> 
> I would try Tie Rack

Is Tie Rack an acceptable place to buy presents for friends you actually
like?

Smylers

From simon at thegestalt.org  Thu Dec  6 12:00:12 2007
From: simon at thegestalt.org (Simon Wistow)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:00:12 +0000
Subject: Cufflinks
In-Reply-To: <20071205234853.GA2067@stripey.com>
References: <20071205234853.GA2067@stripey.com>
Message-ID: <20071206120012.GI96935@thegestalt.org>

On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 11:48:53PM +0000, Smylers said:
> Oh, and if I end up somewhere which has a choice of silver cufflinks on
> sale, any advice on discerning which are the 'nicest' would also come in
> handy!

There are various suit shops round Jermyn Street, Saville Row and, to a 
lesser extent, Regent Street that will stock cufflinks.

You can actually pick up some not bad cufflinks from Moss Bros

http://www.moss.co.uk/fcp/categoryproducts/garment/accessories_cufflinks

dpeneding on how much you want to spend.



From nick at ccl4.org  Thu Dec  6 12:00:52 2007
From: nick at ccl4.org (Nicholas Clark)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:00:52 +0000
Subject: transport is hard - let's go shopping (was Re: Cufflinks)
In-Reply-To: <46A0F33545E63740BC7563DE59CA9C6D093970@exchsvr2.npl.ad.local>
References: <46A0F33545E63740BC7563DE59CA9C6D093970@exchsvr2.npl.ad.local>
Message-ID: <20071206120052.GY7829@plum.flirble.org>

On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 11:22:23AM -0000, Robin Barker wrote:
> > Can anybody suggest where to buy these?  Preferably in Zone 1 and open
> > after work tomorrow (I'll be arriving at Paddington and travelling to
> > the pub meeting near Euston, via a cufflink vendor).
> 
> I would try Tie Rack - probably one at Paddington and Euston

Whilst valid advice, I keep wondering whether it's right to re-enforce the
view of Network Rail and BAA that stations and airports are about shopping.

How many people would need to boycott their "retail experiences" before they
got the message?

Nicholas Clark

From Smylers at stripey.com  Thu Dec  6 12:01:43 2007
From: Smylers at stripey.com (Smylers)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:01:43 +0000
Subject: Cufflinks
In-Reply-To: <bba689ec0712060322v58804a30ybe0385fe720c1801@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20071205234853.GA2067@stripey.com>
	<bba689ec0712060322v58804a30ybe0385fe720c1801@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20071206120143.GC28465@stripey.com>

Spiros Denaxas writes:

> I don't know why I know this, but there's a pretty decent place at
> Covent Garden market, at the lower ground floor.  Its a small shop, I
> don't remember the name though.

Thanks for that.

Do those kind of places stay open late enough?  I'd expect it to be
after 18:30 when I get there (which I realize isn't late for central
London shops, but I'm still new-ish to London and in the rest of the
country it's typically only the big chain stores that stay open into the
evening).

Smylers

From david at dorward.me.uk  Thu Dec  6 12:19:00 2007
From: david at dorward.me.uk (David Dorward)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:19:00 +0000
Subject: Cufflinks
In-Reply-To: <20071206115809.GB28465@stripey.com>
References: <46A0F33545E63740BC7563DE59CA9C6D093970@exchsvr2.npl.ad.local>
	<20071206115809.GB28465@stripey.com>
Message-ID: <A0D69A43-E85D-4848-AF84-32AF29DAE701@dorward.me.uk>

On 6 Dec 2007, at 11:58, Smylers wrote:
> Is Tie Rack an acceptable place to buy presents for friends you  
> actually
> like?

Well, they do sell a cute spirit level tie clip. The staff aren't  
exactly experts on ties and related accoutrements though (although I  
confess I was looking for something that is somewhat uncommon these  
days).

-- 
David Dorward
http://dorward.me.uk/
http://blog.dorward.me.uk/



From steve at tightrope.demon.co.uk  Thu Dec  6 12:20:31 2007
From: steve at tightrope.demon.co.uk (Steve Mynott)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:20:31 +0000
Subject: Cufflinks
In-Reply-To: <20071205234853.GA2067@stripey.com>
References: <20071205234853.GA2067@stripey.com>
Message-ID: <20071206122031.GA25574@tightrope.demon.co.uk>

On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 11:48:53PM +0000, Smylers typed:

> A friend has requested cufflinks for Christmas, silver (presumably she
> means silvery-coloured, rather than made from silver).

Very pricey but these would be nice for a linux user!

http://www.newandlingwood.com/product.php?id=495

-- 
Steve Mynott <steve at tightrope.demon.co.uk>

From london.pm at bang.meep.org  Thu Dec  6 12:21:04 2007
From: london.pm at bang.meep.org (the hatter)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:21:04 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Cufflinks
In-Reply-To: <bba689ec0712060322v58804a30ybe0385fe720c1801@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20071205234853.GA2067@stripey.com>
	<bba689ec0712060322v58804a30ybe0385fe720c1801@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0712061219090.2163@pzat.meep.org>

On Thu, 6 Dec 2007, Spiros Denaxas wrote:

> I don't know why I know this, but there's a pretty decent place at Covent
> Garden market, at the lower ground floor.
>  Its a small shop, I don't remember the name though..

They've got their catalogue online at
http://www.cuffsandco.co.uk/ourshop.asp nothing as shiny as selfridges but
if there's something you like the look of you can skip browsing time after
work.


the hatter

From evdb at ecclestoad.co.uk  Thu Dec  6 12:21:09 2007
From: evdb at ecclestoad.co.uk (Edmund von der Burg)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:21:09 +0000
Subject: Cufflinks
In-Reply-To: <20071205234853.GA2067@stripey.com>
References: <20071205234853.GA2067@stripey.com>
Message-ID: <f0145aa60712060421s28975a73g20b4108655494d13@mail.gmail.com>

On 05/12/2007, Smylers <Smylers at stripey.com> wrote:
> A friend has requested cufflinks for Christmas, silver (presumably she
> means silvery-coloured, rather than made from silver).

An alternative - albeit illegal - would be to take two ten pence
coins, two five pence coins, a metal drill and something to join them
and make cuff links out of those (10p as the main face, 5p as the
backing plate).

This would be a very tenuous play on 'silver' but might please :)

Edmund.

-- 
Drive in the UK? - sign this: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/displaythespeed/

From roger at firedrake.org  Thu Dec  6 12:30:38 2007
From: roger at firedrake.org (Roger Burton West)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:30:38 +0000
Subject: transport is hard - let's go shopping (was Re: Cufflinks)
In-Reply-To: <20071206120052.GY7829@plum.flirble.org>
References: <46A0F33545E63740BC7563DE59CA9C6D093970@exchsvr2.npl.ad.local>
	<20071206120052.GY7829@plum.flirble.org>
Message-ID: <20071206123038.GA20951@firedrake.org>

On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 12:00:52PM +0000, Nicholas Clark wrote:

>How many people would need to boycott their "retail experiences" before they
>got the message?

Considering the markups, I suspect that they can pay the rent on about
three "big" customers per day.

R

From wiggly at wiggly.org  Thu Dec  6 12:33:41 2007
From: wiggly at wiggly.org (Nigel Rantor)
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:33:41 +0000
Subject: Laptop Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <2bb533fc0712050246rd50e984l755664a6269cac4d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F911FB881481FD449EDC83805CF57DE903AD16@sv091885.ztb.icb.commerzbank.com>	<474EBFEA.3080804@wiggly.org>	<20071129152034.GJ12874@bytemark.barnyard.co.uk>	<474EE1D0.1050905@wiggly.org>
	<2bb533fc0712050246rd50e984l755664a6269cac4d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4757EC25.80306@wiggly.org>

Kaoru wrote:
> On Nov 29, 2007 3:59 PM, Nigel Rantor <wiggly at wiggly.org> wrote:
>> Hmm...thinkpads can handle 4Gb eh....damn, I still don't know what to
>> get though. Thinkpad, Vaio, Thinkpad, Vaio, Thinkpad, Vaio......
>>
> 
> As someone who's owned two Vaios, I say go with the Thinkpad.

I just did, T61 (ND21GUK).

Have already installed Ubuntu and am trying to fix the things that 
aren't quite right. Which, so far, have been very few and far between.

Currently my only problem is sound is a bit low. But I've found info on 
that and have things to try.

It's a very nice little machine.

One of the other deciding factors was that I found someone on TCR 
willing to open up two machines for me to check for dead/stuck pixels, 
agreed a price before he started and the first one (luckily for him) 
looked fine.

   n

From jns at gellyfish.com  Thu Dec  6 12:43:34 2007
From: jns at gellyfish.com (Jonathan Stowe)
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:43:34 +0000
Subject: Avenue Q
In-Reply-To: <1196104314.7421.0.camel@coriolanus>
References: <20071126162636.GZ12370@pimb.org>
	<20071126165826.qf4e4nq3kksws8kg@webmail.mag-sol.com>
	<1196104314.7421.0.camel@coriolanus>
Message-ID: <1196945014.27208.8.camel@coriolanus>

On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 19:11 +0000, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 16:58 +0000, Dave Cross wrote:
> > Quoting Jody Belka <lists-lpm at pimb.org>:
> > 
> > > Apparently the Avenue Q cast is changing as of the end of this  month
> > 
> > Er... does this mean they're getting new puppets?
> > 
> 
> Well the posters still had the same puppets on when I walked past this
> evening....

Yep still the same puppets. I guess the cast change was a ruse ....

/J\
-- 
Winners don't do de-tox

From lists at laymond.com  Thu Dec  6 13:11:31 2007
From: lists at laymond.com (A Laymond)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:11:31 +0000
Subject: Cufflinks
In-Reply-To: <f0145aa60712060421s28975a73g20b4108655494d13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20071205234853.GA2067@stripey.com>
	<f0145aa60712060421s28975a73g20b4108655494d13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bfc42d6d0712060511x71fd4587sea1ab8b416040fa8@mail.gmail.com>

May I advise ebay?


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/silver-manschettenknoepfe-d-g-mont-3d-cufflinks-gemelos_W0QQitemZ120192708713QQihZ002QQcategoryZ137846QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/GENUINE-Tiffany-Co-1837-Cufflinks-Unisex_W0QQitemZ130180060519QQihZ003QQcategoryZ43030QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EMPORIO-ARMANI-SILVER-CRYSTAL-CUFFLINK-2008-COLL-WOWW_W0QQitemZ280179149483QQihZ018QQcategoryZ505QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/0-15CT-ROUND-DIAMOND-CUFFLINK-9K-WHITE-GOLD_W0QQitemZ350002221861QQihZ022QQcategoryZ505QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Round-12-cut-Facet-Hematite-Zircon-Crystal-Cufflink_W0QQitemZ160187143718QQihZ006QQcategoryZ10294QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PATEK-PHILIPPE-CUFFLINKS-FLEUR-DE-LIS-SILVER-PLATED-E_W0QQitemZ250192669235QQihZ015QQcategoryZ137846QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DUCHAMP-black-grey-crystal-30s-style-cufflinks_W0QQitemZ250194595395QQihZ015QQcategoryZ10294QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SOLID-SILVER-SQUARE-CELTIC-DESIGN-CUFFLINKS_W0QQitemZ230197638795QQihZ013QQcategoryZ137846QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ted-Baker-Cufflinks_W0QQitemZ160186020951QQihZ006QQcategoryZ137847QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem





On Dec 6, 2007 12:21 PM, Edmund von der Burg <evdb at ecclestoad.co.uk> wrote:
> On 05/12/2007, Smylers <Smylers at stripey.com> wrote:
> > A friend has requested cufflinks for Christmas, silver (presumably she
> > means silvery-coloured, rather than made from silver).
>
> An alternative - albeit illegal - would be to take two ten pence
> coins, two five pence coins, a metal drill and something to join them
> and make cuff links out of those (10p as the main face, 5p as the
> backing plate).
>
> This would be a very tenuous play on 'silver' but might please :)
>
> Edmund.
>
> --
> Drive in the UK? - sign this: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/displaythespeed/
>

From johnston at biochem.ucl.ac.uk  Thu Dec  6 13:15:57 2007
From: johnston at biochem.ucl.ac.uk (Caroline Johnston)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:15:57 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: book discount?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0712061315290.31280@localhost.localdomain>

Hi,

The woman on the O'Reilly desk at the LPW said members of london.pm get a
discount.  Does being on the mailing list and very occasionally turning up
to stuff make me eligible?  If so, any chance I could order stuff through
london.pm / get the discount code? I bought the data-mining book, got
halfway through it and dropped a pot of coffee on it. I could do with a
new (and less soggy) copy.

cheers,
Caroline

PS. Many thanks to the LPW organisers, you did a great job.







From philip.newton at gmail.com  Thu Dec  6 13:32:22 2007
From: philip.newton at gmail.com (Philip Newton)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:32:22 +0100
Subject: book discount?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0712061315290.31280@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0712061315290.31280@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <537d06d00712060532m37ab83b8o20f4671e216e0586@mail.gmail.com>

On Dec 6, 2007 2:15 PM, Caroline Johnston <johnston at biochem.ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
> The woman on the O'Reilly desk at the LPW said members of london.pm get a
> discount.  Does being on the mailing list and very occasionally turning up
> to stuff make me eligible?

I was under the impression that "being on the mailing list" is more or
less what defines "member or london.pm".

Cheers,
-- 
Philip Newton <philip.newton at gmail.com>

From adrianh at quietstars.com  Thu Dec  6 13:45:35 2007
From: adrianh at quietstars.com (Adrian Howard)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:45:35 +0000
Subject: book discount?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0712061315290.31280@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0712061315290.31280@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <5BCFF67B-33CD-45CE-92A9-AFC024BC1F3A@quietstars.com>


On 6 Dec 2007, at 13:15, Caroline Johnston wrote:
[snip]
> PS. Many thanks to the LPW organisers, you did a great job.
[snip]

Seconded. I had a most excellent time. Despite being terribly hung  
over all of Saturday morning.

Adrian

From abw at wardley.org  Thu Dec  6 13:55:15 2007
From: abw at wardley.org (Andy Wardley)
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:55:15 +0000
Subject: book discount?
In-Reply-To: <537d06d00712060532m37ab83b8o20f4671e216e0586@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0712061315290.31280@localhost.localdomain>
	<537d06d00712060532m37ab83b8o20f4671e216e0586@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4757FF43.8050702@wardley.org>

Philip Newton wrote:
> I was under the impression that "being on the mailing list" is more or
> less what defines "member or london.pm".

I was under the impression that watching Buffy, eating pies or owning a
pony is sufficient.

A

From Rafiq.Ismail at MorganStanley.com  Thu Dec  6 14:20:17 2007
From: Rafiq.Ismail at MorganStanley.com (Ismail, Rafiq (IT))
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:20:17 -0000
Subject: book discount?
In-Reply-To: <4757FF43.8050702@wardley.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0712061315290.31280@localhost.localdomain><537d06d00712060532m37ab83b8o20f4671e216e0586@mail.gmail.com>
	<4757FF43.8050702@wardley.org>
Message-ID: <0F354FDFECA12647B75F7B154EC382850951661F@LNWEXMB58.msad.ms.com>

Do you own a pony?  Finally, I'm not a freak.  www.ouricelandichorse.com
Have you ever been teased that you should ride somewhere, instead of
using a bicycle?



Rafiq Ismail
Morgan Stanley | Technology
20 Bank Street | Canary Wharf | Floor 12
London, E14 4AD
Phone: +44 20 7677-2923
Rafiq.Ismail at MorganStanley.com
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: london.pm-bounces at london.pm.org 
> [mailto:london.pm-bounces at london.pm.org] On Behalf Of Andy Wardley
> Sent: 06 December 2007 13:55
> To: London.pm Perl M[ou]ngers
> Subject: Re: book discount?
> 
> Philip Newton wrote:
> > I was under the impression that "being on the mailing list" 
> is more or 
> > less what defines "member or london.pm".
> 
> I was under the impression that watching Buffy, eating pies 
> or owning a pony is sufficient.
> 
> A
>
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From dave at dave.org.uk  Thu Dec  6 14:25:27 2007
From: dave at dave.org.uk (Dave Cross)
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:25:27 +0000
Subject: book discount?
In-Reply-To: <4757FF43.8050702@wardley.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0712061315290.31280@localhost.localdomain>
	<537d06d00712060532m37ab83b8o20f4671e216e0586@mail.gmail.com>
	<4757FF43.8050702@wardley.org>
Message-ID: <20071206142527.oj1k6w5tcss08cw0@webmail.mag-sol.com>

Quoting Andy Wardley <abw at wardley.org>:

> Philip Newton wrote:
>> I was under the impression that "being on the mailing list" is more or
>> less what defines "member or london.pm".
>
> I was under the impression that watching Buffy, eating pies or owning a
> pony is sufficient.

I'm pretty sure we had this debate before and the conclusion was that  
a london.pm member was anyone who wanted to call themself a london.pm  
member.

And at that point it descended into Groucho Marx jokes.

Dave...


From greg at mccarroll.org.uk  Thu Dec  6 14:26:53 2007
From: greg at mccarroll.org.uk (Greg McCarroll)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:26:53 +0000
Subject: book discount?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0712061315290.31280@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0712061315290.31280@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20071206142653.GB23753@mccarroll.org.uk>

On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 01:15:57PM +0000, Caroline Johnston wrote:
> 
> The woman on the O'Reilly desk at the LPW said members of london.pm get a
> discount.  Does being on the mailing list and very occasionally turning up
> to stuff make me eligible?  If so, any chance I could order stuff through

Sounds good enough to me, I've sent a mail to Josette (the woman) to ask
how.

G.

From tom at eborcom.com  Thu Dec  6 15:06:50 2007
From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:06:50 +0000
Subject: book discount?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0712061315290.31280@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0712061315290.31280@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20071206150650.GA5518@eborcom.com>

On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 01:15:57PM +0000, Caroline Johnston wrote:
> If so, any chance I could order stuff through london.pm / get the
> discount code?

Using my on-topic data mining sk1llz, I found:
http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20051212/000549.html

I don't know whether the code has changed, but you could try it.

Tom

From johnston at biochem.ucl.ac.uk  Thu Dec  6 15:16:37 2007
From: johnston at biochem.ucl.ac.uk (Caroline Johnston)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:16:37 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: book discount?
In-Reply-To: <20071206142653.GB23753@mccarroll.org.uk>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0712061315290.31280@localhost.localdomain>
	<20071206142653.GB23753@mccarroll.org.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0712061504080.31280@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 6 Dec 2007, Greg McCarroll wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 01:15:57PM +0000, Caroline Johnston wrote:
> >
> > The woman on the O'Reilly desk at the LPW said members of london.pm get a
> > discount.  Does being on the mailing list and very occasionally turning up
> > to stuff make me eligible?  If so, any chance I could order stuff through
>
> Sounds good enough to me, I've sent a mail to Josette (the woman) to ask
> how.

Lovely, thanks.
And congrats on the promotion to Glorious Leader.

C.

From evdb at ecclestoad.co.uk  Thu Dec  6 15:20:02 2007
From: evdb at ecclestoad.co.uk (Edmund von der Burg)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:20:02 +0000
Subject: book discount?
In-Reply-To: <20071206142653.GB23753@mccarroll.org.uk>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0712061315290.31280@localhost.localdomain>
	<20071206142653.GB23753@mccarroll.org.uk>
Message-ID: <f0145aa60712060720w52190831v93d313168687fa32@mail.gmail.com>

On 06/12/2007, Greg McCarroll <greg at mccarroll.org.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 01:15:57PM +0000, Caroline Johnston wrote:
> > The woman on the O'Reilly desk at the LPW said members of london.pm get a
> > discount.  Does being on the mailing list and very occasionally turning up
> > to stuff make me eligible?  If so, any chance I could order stuff through
>
> Sounds good enough to me, I've sent a mail to Josette (the woman) to ask
> how.

Bit late for tonight but there might be merit in getting a big order
together and then have it delivered in one go to the social. Would
save on hassle and shipping for Josette and shift the issue of
splitting up payment to us.

Edmund.

-- 
Drive in the UK? - sign this: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/displaythespeed/

From simon at thegestalt.org  Thu Dec  6 15:41:03 2007
From: simon at thegestalt.org (Simon Wistow)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:41:03 +0000
Subject: book discount?
In-Reply-To: <20071206150650.GA5518@eborcom.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0712061315290.31280@localhost.localdomain>
	<20071206150650.GA5518@eborcom.com>
Message-ID: <20071206154103.GN96935@thegestalt.org>

On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 03:06:50PM +0000, Tom Hukins said:
> Using my on-topic data mining sk1llz, I found:
> http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20051212/000549.html
> 
> I don't know whether the code has changed, but you could try it.

There's also a Safari discount

	http://www.oreilly.com/safari/ug

The Programming Collective Intelligence also gets you a free electronic 
copy which is handy. 


From ian at indecorous.com  Thu Dec  6 15:57:38 2007
From: ian at indecorous.com (Ian Malpass)
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:57:38 -0600
Subject: Cufflinks
In-Reply-To: <20071205234853.GA2067@stripey.com>
References: <20071205234853.GA2067@stripey.com>
Message-ID: <47581BF2.3080408@indecorous.com>

Smylers wrote:
> A friend has requested cufflinks for Christmas, silver (presumably she
> means silvery-coloured, rather than made from silver).

Depends on how good a friend she is, I suppose ;) You can certainly 
obtain silver-plated cufflinks, if sterling is out of the question. As 
previous replies have suggested, Jermyn Street is tailor-ridden[0], and 
you'll be able to find just about anything there[1], but at a price. I'm 
John Lewis will have something more proletarian, and their opening hours 
will be suitable.

Ian

[0] I've tended to patronise Pink's and TM Lewin for my nice shirts and 
ties. (Which, after three years in the US, I no longer fit in, much to 
my distress.) Oh, and do pop in to Tricker's if you're in need of good 
shoes. And Trumper's is great for gentlemen's toiletries and shaving 
requisites (their badger-hair shaving brushes are a tad expensive, but 
are wonderful nevertheless).

[1] I almost bought a pair of sterling silver collar bones once. I still 
vaguely regret not doing so.

From andy at hexten.net  Thu Dec  6 19:59:01 2007
From: andy at hexten.net (Andy Armstrong)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:59:01 +0000
Subject: [REVIEW] Programming Collective Intelligence
In-Reply-To: <F9F84076-61D8-419C-AC32-BEBB005B43EF@quietstars.com>
References: <20071206082939.GC96935@thegestalt.org>
	<F9F84076-61D8-419C-AC32-BEBB005B43EF@quietstars.com>
Message-ID: <A47F7DB9-98C4-4BB8-BBAA-752AFF51F413@hexten.net>

On 6 Dec 2007, at 11:50, Adrian Howard wrote:
> I almost bought this at LPW. Now I definitely have too. Damn.


I wish I'd picked it instead of the Erlang book...

-- 
Andy Armstrong, Hexten





From andy at hexten.net  Thu Dec  6 20:08:19 2007
From: andy at hexten.net (Andy Armstrong)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:08:19 +0000
Subject: book discount?
In-Reply-To: <5BCFF67B-33CD-45CE-92A9-AFC024BC1F3A@quietstars.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0712061315290.31280@localhost.localdomain>
	<5BCFF67B-33CD-45CE-92A9-AFC024BC1F3A@quietstars.com>
Message-ID: <0504CFAF-9673-40FD-B909-32ADB4EB018E@hexten.net>

On 6 Dec 2007, at 13:45, Adrian Howard wrote:
> On 6 Dec 2007, at 13:15, Caroline Johnston wrote:
> [snip]
>> PS. Many thanks to the LPW organisers, you did a great job.
> [snip]
>
> Seconded. I had a most excellent time. Despite being terribly hung  
> over all of Saturday morning.


Thirded. The fact that I've been puking, sweating and shivering more  
or less since I got home is no reflection on the event :)

-- 
Andy Armstrong, Hexten





From jesse at fsck.com  Thu Dec  6 20:14:09 2007
From: jesse at fsck.com (jesse)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:14:09 -0500
Subject: [REVIEW] Programming Collective Intelligence
In-Reply-To: <A47F7DB9-98C4-4BB8-BBAA-752AFF51F413@hexten.net>
References: <20071206082939.GC96935@thegestalt.org>
	<F9F84076-61D8-419C-AC32-BEBB005B43EF@quietstars.com>
	<A47F7DB9-98C4-4BB8-BBAA-752AFF51F413@hexten.net>
Message-ID: <20071206201408.GQ30361@bestpractical.com>




On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 07:59:01PM +0000, Andy Armstrong wrote:
> 
> I wish I'd picked it instead of the Erlang book...

But now you can hack on CouchDB! 

From abuse at cabal.org.uk  Thu Dec  6 20:24:14 2007
From: abuse at cabal.org.uk (Peter Corlett)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:24:14 +0000
Subject: transport is hard - let's go shopping (was Re: Cufflinks)
In-Reply-To: <20071206123038.GA20951@firedrake.org>
References: <46A0F33545E63740BC7563DE59CA9C6D093970@exchsvr2.npl.ad.local>
	<20071206120052.GY7829@plum.flirble.org>
	<20071206123038.GA20951@firedrake.org>
Message-ID: <967E2C7D-45EE-40FB-B38E-9BC36F8ADCA2@cabal.org.uk>

On 6 Dec 2007, at 12:30, Roger Burton West wrote:
[...]
> Considering the markups, I suspect that they can pay the rent on about
> three "big" customers per day.

Rent?

If you're referring to BAA, I would be astonished if they didn't own  
the site outright.

As to the retailers, BAA apparently take a sufficiently-large  
percentage of the turnover that they don't actually make any sort of  
profit from a big-spending customer.



From andy at hexten.net  Thu Dec  6 20:27:23 2007
From: andy at hexten.net (Andy Armstrong)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:27:23 +0000
Subject: [REVIEW] Programming Collective Intelligence
In-Reply-To: <20071206201408.GQ30361@bestpractical.com>
References: <20071206082939.GC96935@thegestalt.org>
	<F9F84076-61D8-419C-AC32-BEBB005B43EF@quietstars.com>
	<A47F7DB9-98C4-4BB8-BBAA-752AFF51F413@hexten.net>
	<20071206201408.GQ30361@bestpractical.com>
Message-ID: <BBC05146-2477-4028-8F57-61511F542E74@hexten.net>

On 6 Dec 2007, at 20:14, jesse wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 07:59:01PM +0000, Andy Armstrong wrote:
>>
>> I wish I'd picked it instead of the Erlang book...
>
> But now you can hack on CouchDB!


Yay! It's Lotus Domino! And it looks like a Domino site too...

It looks kinda cute but my head is full :)

-- 
Andy Armstrong, Hexten





From abuse at cabal.org.uk  Thu Dec  6 20:29:52 2007
From: abuse at cabal.org.uk (Peter Corlett)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:29:52 +0000
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] London.pm December Meeting
In-Reply-To: <20071203142826.GA4898@mccarroll.org.uk>
References: <20071203142826.GA4898@mccarroll.org.uk>
Message-ID: <C8805F42-DD29-48C5-8127-187A365CE070@cabal.org.uk>

On 3 Dec 2007, at 14:28, Greg McCarroll wrote:
[...]
> It's quite a small pub and although we've reserved a couple of tables
> please do arrive early to help us claim more (although December  
> meetings
> tend to be small intimate affairs anyway).

Please don't organise another meet at this dive until such time as  
they get some staff who can actually be bothered to serve customers.



From greg at mccarroll.org.uk  Thu Dec  6 23:05:21 2007
From: greg at mccarroll.org.uk (Greg McCarroll)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 23:05:21 +0000
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] London.pm December Meeting
In-Reply-To: <C8805F42-DD29-48C5-8127-187A365CE070@cabal.org.uk>
References: <20071203142826.GA4898@mccarroll.org.uk>
	<C8805F42-DD29-48C5-8127-187A365CE070@cabal.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20071206230520.GA25032@mccarroll.org.uk>

On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 08:29:52PM +0000, Peter Corlett wrote:
> On 3 Dec 2007, at 14:28, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> [...]
> >It's quite a small pub and although we've reserved a couple of tables
> >please do arrive early to help us claim more (although December  
> >meetings
> >tend to be small intimate affairs anyway).
> 
> Please don't organise another meet at this dive until such time as  
> they get some staff who can actually be bothered to serve customers.
> 

ok, any suggestions about another pub near euston as an alternative so that
if we want to hook up with folks coming down/going up to birmingham we can?

i haven't spoken to kake yet, but i'm pretty sure she is open to 'patches
welcome' in terms of having another euston area pub -- i've never known pm'ers
to not want to try a new pub :-).

G.

From greg at mccarroll.org.uk  Thu Dec  6 23:07:54 2007
From: greg at mccarroll.org.uk (Greg McCarroll)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 23:07:54 +0000
Subject: book discount?
In-Reply-To: <20071206154103.GN96935@thegestalt.org>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0712061315290.31280@localhost.localdomain>
	<20071206150650.GA5518@eborcom.com>
	<20071206154103.GN96935@thegestalt.org>
Message-ID: <20071206230754.GB25032@mccarroll.org.uk>

On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 03:41:03PM +0000, Simon Wistow wrote:
> 
> There's also a Safari discount
> 
> 	http://www.oreilly.com/safari/ug
> 
> The Programming Collective Intelligence also gets you a free electronic 
> copy which is handy. 
> 

Top tip Sir! I'm afraid my bookshelves have reached maximum and while i'm happy to
buy books and i still like having the hard copy (much like CD's) having an electronic
copy that isn't stored in the attic (which we just had floored) is ace.

What would be really neat is a list of other books I could buy like this.

G.

From greg at mccarroll.org.uk  Thu Dec  6 23:13:23 2007
From: greg at mccarroll.org.uk (Greg McCarroll)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 23:13:23 +0000
Subject: book discount?
In-Reply-To: <f0145aa60712060720w52190831v93d313168687fa32@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0712061315290.31280@localhost.localdomain>
	<20071206142653.GB23753@mccarroll.org.uk>
	<f0145aa60712060720w52190831v93d313168687fa32@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20071206231323.GC25032@mccarroll.org.uk>

On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 03:20:02PM +0000, Edmund von der Burg wrote:
> 
> Bit late for tonight but there might be merit in getting a big order
> together and then have it delivered in one go to the social. Would
> save on hassle and shipping for Josette and shift the issue of
> splitting up payment to us.
> 

So, the best way I can see of doing this is a tech meet at a non-pub (boo,
hiss), and maybe at a certain university if he doesn't bring out the shotgun
when i appear on the horizon. Would people give opinions about the following
which may or not get listened to ...

1) tech meet in february (lightning talk heavy)

2) big ORA (ORA i believe is no longer the correct term, but ho hum) book order,
   some other person is going to have to be the manager of this - although i can
   help by seeing if we can squeeze up the discount slightly.

3) and this is the radical one - maybe asking gllug if they would like to also
   give a few talks/order books? - on this last one if you are about to fling
   monkey faeces at me please avoid the face and groin.

G.

From martin at antibodymx.net  Thu Dec  6 23:30:40 2007
From: martin at antibodymx.net (Martin A. Brooks)
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:30:40 +0000
Subject: book discount?
In-Reply-To: <20071206231323.GC25032@mccarroll.org.uk>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0712061315290.31280@localhost.localdomain>	<20071206142653.GB23753@mccarroll.org.uk>	<f0145aa60712060720w52190831v93d313168687fa32@mail.gmail.com>
	<20071206231323.GC25032@mccarroll.org.uk>
Message-ID: <47588620.8050009@antibodymx.net>

Greg McCarroll wrote:
> 2) big ORA (ORA i believe is no longer the correct term, but ho hum) book order,
>    some other person is going to have to be the manager of this - although i can
>    help by seeing if we can squeeze up the discount slightly.
>   

If it's just a case of collating the order and monies, placing the order 
with O'Reilly and distributing the stuff afterwards, I'd be happy to 
take that on.

-- 
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   Consultant    |  martin at antibodymx.net      | filtering. Inoculate
 antibodymx.net  |  m: +447896578023           | your mail system.


From roger at firedrake.org  Fri Dec  7 00:28:08 2007
From: roger at firedrake.org (Roger Burton West)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 00:28:08 +0000
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] London.pm December Meeting
In-Reply-To: <20071206230520.GA25032@mccarroll.org.uk>
References: <20071203142826.GA4898@mccarroll.org.uk>
	<C8805F42-DD29-48C5-8127-187A365CE070@cabal.org.uk>
	<20071206230520.GA25032@mccarroll.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20071207002808.GA25560@firedrake.org>

On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 11:05:21PM +0000, Greg McCarroll wrote:

>ok, any suggestions about another pub near euston as an alternative so that
>if we want to hook up with folks coming down/going up to birmingham we can?

Has the Doric Arch (formerly Head of Steam) been struck off for cause?
It's certainly my first resort when I'm in the area.

If you need more space, the Euston Flyer's not too bad, but a bit loud.

The Lord John Russell is a bit studenty but usually has good beer.

http://beerdiary.firedrake.org/reviews/head_of_steam.html
http://beerdiary.firedrake.org/reviews/euston_flyer.html
http://beerdiary.firedrake.org/reviews/lord_john_russell.html

R

From ilmari at ilmari.org  Fri Dec  7 00:40:20 2007
From: ilmari at ilmari.org (Dagfinn Ilmari =?utf-8?Q?Manns=C3=A5ker?=)
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 00:40:20 +0000
Subject: Cufflinks
In-Reply-To: <f0145aa60712060421s28975a73g20b4108655494d13@mail.gmail.com>
	(Edmund von der Burg's message of "Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:21:09 +0000")
References: <20071205234853.GA2067@stripey.com>
	<f0145aa60712060421s28975a73g20b4108655494d13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d8jsl2fqqvf.fsf@nygaard.ping.uio.no>

"Edmund von der Burg" <evdb at ecclestoad.co.uk> writes:

> On 05/12/2007, Smylers <Smylers at stripey.com> wrote:
>> A friend has requested cufflinks for Christmas, silver (presumably she
>> means silvery-coloured, rather than made from silver).
>
> An alternative - albeit illegal - would be to take two ten pence
> coins, two five pence coins, a metal drill and something to join them
> and make cuff links out of those (10p as the main face, 5p as the
> backing plate).

I've actually got a pair of gilded Norwegaian 1 ?re (1/100th of a krone)
cufflinks with a matching tie pin that my oldest friend (whose father
used to work for the national bank) gave me as a (secular) confirmation
present. This is perfectly legal, as the coin in question has not been
in circulation for decades. In fact, the set of cufflinks and tie pin
was issued by the national bank and includes a booklet detailing the
history of the 1 ?re coin.

-- 
ilmari
"A disappointingly low fraction of the human race is,
 at any given time, on fire." - Stig Sandbeck Mathisen

From combobulus at xemaps.com  Fri Dec  7 00:41:30 2007
From: combobulus at xemaps.com (IvorW)
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 00:41:30 +0000
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] London.pm December Meeting
In-Reply-To: <20071206230520.GA25032@mccarroll.org.uk>
References: <20071203142826.GA4898@mccarroll.org.uk>	<C8805F42-DD29-48C5-8127-187A365CE070@cabal.org.uk>
	<20071206230520.GA25032@mccarroll.org.uk>
Message-ID: <475896BA.8040607@tiscali.co.uk>

Greg McCarroll wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 08:29:52PM +0000, Peter Corlett wrote:
>   
>> On 3 Dec 2007, at 14:28, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>> [...]
>>     
>>> It's quite a small pub and although we've reserved a couple of tables
>>> please do arrive early to help us claim more (although December  
>>> meetings
>>> tend to be small intimate affairs anyway).
>>>       
>> Please don't organise another meet at this dive until such time as  
>> they get some staff who can actually be bothered to serve customers.
>>
>>     
>
> ok, any suggestions about another pub near euston as an alternative so that
> if we want to hook up with folks coming down/going up to birmingham we can?
>
> i haven't spoken to kake yet, but i'm pretty sure she is open to 'patches
> welcome' in terms of having another euston area pub -- i've never known pm'ers
> to not want to try a new pub :-).
>
>
>   
The Doric Arch (formerly known as the Head of Steam) springs to mind.  I
think the space at the back is bookable.


From evdb at ecclestoad.co.uk  Fri Dec  7 08:32:10 2007
From: evdb at ecclestoad.co.uk (Edmund von der Burg)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 08:32:10 +0000
Subject: Whisky Competition!
In-Reply-To: <f0145aa60712030207l38bdc1afscf3bd2250210bd54@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f0145aa60712030207l38bdc1afscf3bd2250210bd54@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f0145aa60712070032x690c0aepc3cbc399371555be@mail.gmail.com>

On 03/12/2007, Edmund von der Burg <evdb at ecclestoad.co.uk> wrote:
> So I propose a competition, the winner of which shall be presented
> with the bottle at the next social!

And the winner is...... Aidan Samuel!

[lovely assistant walks over in sequin robe to present bottle]

Aidan is doubly deserving of this prize for having won it in two ways.

  1) His code was particularly impenetrable to human reading,
beautifully fit into exactly 4x72, horribly uses $a and $b, and
(vitally) did not try to delete any of my files.
  2) He was the only entrant - and so wins by default.

The masterpiece:

@x=(-107151.999999123,325531.042902123,-410885.11400912,290266.64120912,
-129379.256530,38674.56719700,-8005.153971,1162.52072916,-118.101928323,
8.2179797729000,-0.3730526620370,0.00994879349050,-0.00011818332130);for
$a(1..scalar at x){$y=0;for$b(0..$#x){$y+=$x[$b]*$a**$b;}print chr int $y;}

A big hand if you please!

Cheers,
  Edmund

-- 
In reality I'm evdb at ecclestoad.co.uk - http://ecclestoad.co.uk
Drive in the UK? - sign this: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/displaythespeed/

From adrianh at quietstars.com  Fri Dec  7 09:36:56 2007
From: adrianh at quietstars.com (Adrian Howard)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 09:36:56 +0000
Subject: [REVIEW] Programming Collective Intelligence
In-Reply-To: <A47F7DB9-98C4-4BB8-BBAA-752AFF51F413@hexten.net>
References: <20071206082939.GC96935@thegestalt.org>
	<F9F84076-61D8-419C-AC32-BEBB005B43EF@quietstars.com>
	<A47F7DB9-98C4-4BB8-BBAA-752AFF51F413@hexten.net>
Message-ID: <099B1A7A-659E-4727-8EC9-A775C64D4A68@quietstars.com>


On 6 Dec 2007, at 19:59, Andy Armstrong wrote:

> On 6 Dec 2007, at 11:50, Adrian Howard wrote:
>> I almost bought this at LPW. Now I definitely have too. Damn.
>
> I wish I'd picked it instead of the Erlang book...

If you don't want it I'll take it off your hands :-)

Adrian

From london.pm at bang.meep.org  Fri Dec  7 10:21:21 2007
From: london.pm at bang.meep.org (the hatter)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:21:21 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] London.pm December Meeting
In-Reply-To: <20071207002808.GA25560@firedrake.org>
References: <20071203142826.GA4898@mccarroll.org.uk>
	<C8805F42-DD29-48C5-8127-187A365CE070@cabal.org.uk>
	<20071206230520.GA25032@mccarroll.org.uk>
	<20071207002808.GA25560@firedrake.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0712071013260.13656@pzat.meep.org>

On Fri, 7 Dec 2007, Roger Burton West wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 11:05:21PM +0000, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>
> >ok, any suggestions about another pub near euston as an alternative so that
> >if we want to hook up with folks coming down/going up to birmingham we can?
>
> Has the Doric Arch (formerly Head of Steam) been struck off for cause?
> If you need more space, the Euston Flyer's not too bad, but a bit loud.
> The Lord John Russell is a bit studenty but usually has good beer.

I'll second all of those - HoS and Flyer were my two thoughts immediately
on reading, and the lord john added to it now riger reminds me of its
existence.


the hatter

From simon at thegestalt.org  Fri Dec  7 11:35:05 2007
From: simon at thegestalt.org (Simon Wistow)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:35:05 +0000
Subject: Dongley
Message-ID: <20071207113505.GW96935@thegestalt.org>

The latest Dashboard update for the Xbox 360 allows FAT32 USB drives to 
be plugged into it.

What I'd really like is something that could act as a USB HD but 
would also have a network connection (wired or wireless is fine) so that 
content on it can be manipulated by real machines.

Bonus points if it's easily upgradeable/expandable especially if it can 
take other USB drives and mount them into it's file tree somewhere.

Of course one possibility would be to build a Linux box that does this 
but I'd really prefer drag'n'drool functionality and instant on and I 
have no idea how to make Linux pretend to be a disk drive.

Does such a beast exist? 

I think the Buffalo TeraStation does similar but they're not cheap (not 
that expensive either but not cheap) and I was wondering if there was a 
ghetto solution out there.


 



From joel at fysh.org  Fri Dec  7 12:13:15 2007
From: joel at fysh.org (Joel Bernstein)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:13:15 +0000
Subject: Dongley
In-Reply-To: <20071207113505.GW96935@thegestalt.org>
References: <20071207113505.GW96935@thegestalt.org>
Message-ID: <20071207121314.GD3889@fysh.org>

On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 11:35:05AM +0000, Simon Wistow wrote:
> What I'd really like is something that could act as a USB HD but 
> would also have a network connection (wired or wireless is fine) so that 
> content on it can be manipulated by real machines.

LinkSys NSLU2? Maybe it's a bit old now. But the principle stands -- get
a little embedded dev board with some USB support and a linux kernel.
Stuff like the NSLU2 is designed for that use case.

/joel



From johnston at biochem.ucl.ac.uk  Fri Dec  7 12:17:09 2007
From: johnston at biochem.ucl.ac.uk (Caroline Johnston)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:17:09 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: book discount?
In-Reply-To: <20071206231323.GC25032@mccarroll.org.uk>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0712061315290.31280@localhost.localdomain>
	<20071206142653.GB23753@mccarroll.org.uk>
	<f0145aa60712060720w52190831v93d313168687fa32@mail.gmail.com>
	<20071206231323.GC25032@mccarroll.org.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0712071215500.9797@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 6 Dec 2007, Greg McCarroll wrote:

> So, the best way I can see of doing this is a tech meet at a non-pub (boo,
> hiss), and maybe at a certain university if he doesn't bring out the shotgun
> when i appear on the horizon. Would people give opinions about the following
> which may or not get listened to ...
>
> 1) tech meet in february (lightning talk heavy)

If it helps prevent a tragic shooting, I don't mind helping organise a
venue. What do you need?

C.


From jns at gellyfish.com  Fri Dec  7 12:17:43 2007
From: jns at gellyfish.com (Jonathan Stowe)
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:17:43 +0000
Subject: Dongley
In-Reply-To: <20071207113505.GW96935@thegestalt.org>
References: <20071207113505.GW96935@thegestalt.org>
Message-ID: <1197029863.6849.7.camel@coriolanus>

On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 11:35 +0000, Simon Wistow wrote:
> I was wondering if there was a ghetto solution out there.

Isn't that "pop a cap in it's scrawny white ass[1]"?

/J\

[1] no not a donkey.
 
-- 
Acting my shoe size since 1972

From nick at ccl4.org  Fri Dec  7 12:37:54 2007
From: nick at ccl4.org (Nicholas Clark)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:37:54 +0000
Subject: Dim sum Today 1pm Dragon Castle
In-Reply-To: <a92222c80712060008p190cfe52y6482c9f3a96880a8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a92222c80712060008p190cfe52y6482c9f3a96880a8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20071207123754.GB7829@plum.flirble.org>

On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 08:08:57AM +0000, Leon Brocard wrote:
> You know, I miss dim sum. I miss it so much that I want to have dim
> sum today. Come have dim sum with me:
> 
>   Dragon Castle

It was good. 7 of us came (2 women, 1 Dave, 5 others) and spent only ?8.10
each, yet had lots of nice things to eat. Thanks to acme for herding us there.

By my counting at the social there was only 1 Dave. But 3 women.
Clearly london.pm needs more Daves. Please attend, and claim your free drink
from our new irrepressible leader.

Nicholas Clark

PS Dear Google,
   http://london.randomness.org.uk/wiki.cgi?Dragon_Castle,_SE17_1JL
   (but please wait until the hosting company sorts its life out before
    attempting to spider it)

From roger at firedrake.org  Fri Dec  7 13:11:10 2007
From: roger at firedrake.org (Roger Burton West)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:11:10 +0000
Subject: Dim sum Today 1pm Dragon Castle
In-Reply-To: <20071207123754.GB7829@plum.flirble.org>
References: <a92222c80712060008p190cfe52y6482c9f3a96880a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<20071207123754.GB7829@plum.flirble.org>
Message-ID: <20071207131110.GA29250@firedrake.org>

On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 12:37:54PM +0000, Nicholas Clark wrote:

>It was good. 7 of us came (2 women, 1 Dave, 5 others)

Either one of the women was a Dave or there is an error in this
calculation.

R

From aidan.samuel at gmail.com  Fri Dec  7 13:21:50 2007
From: aidan.samuel at gmail.com (Aidan Samuel)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:21:50 +0000
Subject: Whisky Competition!
In-Reply-To: <f0145aa60712070032x690c0aepc3cbc399371555be@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f0145aa60712030207l38bdc1afscf3bd2250210bd54@mail.gmail.com>
	<f0145aa60712070032x690c0aepc3cbc399371555be@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a22752330712070521s16f2944oc43ee7c1f4db2ac5@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks very much! And it was nice to meet you guys last night. Nice pub.

Aidan.

From nick at ccl4.org  Fri Dec  7 13:32:44 2007
From: nick at ccl4.org (Nicholas Clark)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:32:44 +0000
Subject: Dim sum Today 1pm Dragon Castle
In-Reply-To: <20071207131110.GA29250@firedrake.org>
References: <a92222c80712060008p190cfe52y6482c9f3a96880a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<20071207123754.GB7829@plum.flirble.org>
	<20071207131110.GA29250@firedrake.org>
Message-ID: <20071207133244.GC7829@plum.flirble.org>

On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 01:11:10PM +0000, Roger Burton West wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 12:37:54PM +0000, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> 
> >It was good. 7 of us came (2 women, 1 Dave, 5 others)
> 
> Either one of the women was a Dave or there is an error in this
> calculation.

I suspect that I can't add up. 2 + 1 + 4 = 7

I blame touch typing - if I can't look at my fingers, how on earth am I going
to be able to count properly :-)

We had an eighth seat for the table in case any more Daves appeared.
I don't think we've had a female Dave attend yet. That would get confusing.

Nicholas Clark

From nick at ccl4.org  Fri Dec  7 13:39:41 2007
From: nick at ccl4.org (Nicholas Clark)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:39:41 +0000
Subject: All Hail the Golden New Age of Prosperity
In-Reply-To: <537d06d00712030416o60df3126gf8da99ed240e2851@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20071203102901.GH42776@thegestalt.org>
	<537d06d00712030416o60df3126gf8da99ed240e2851@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20071207133941.GD7829@plum.flirble.org>

On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 01:16:36PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
> On Dec 3, 2007 11:29 AM, Simon Wistow <simon at thegestalt.org> wrote:
> > All mail to leader at london.pm.org now goes to him and, in time honoured
> > tradition, my name has been erased from history in a Stalinesque purge
> > of facts.
> 
> Eurasia has always been at war with Eastasia.
> 
> I, for one, welcome our new NI overlords.

Unless he decides to auction the meeting date again, and someone suggests
8am on Sunday. :-)

Nicholas Clark

From greg at mccarroll.org.uk  Fri Dec  7 14:14:03 2007
From: greg at mccarroll.org.uk (Greg McCarroll)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:14:03 +0000
Subject: All Hail the Golden New Age of Prosperity
In-Reply-To: <20071207133941.GD7829@plum.flirble.org>
References: <20071203102901.GH42776@thegestalt.org>
	<537d06d00712030416o60df3126gf8da99ed240e2851@mail.gmail.com>
	<20071207133941.GD7829@plum.flirble.org>
Message-ID: <20071207141402.GA28445@mccarroll.org.uk>

On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 01:39:41PM +0000, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> 
> Unless he decides to auction the meeting date again, and someone suggests
> 8am on Sunday. :-)
> 

I would really welcome that someone else does this, maybe someone Davish as
I like symmetry.

G.

From andy at hexten.net  Fri Dec  7 14:19:29 2007
From: andy at hexten.net (Andy Armstrong)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:19:29 +0000
Subject: [REVIEW] Programming Collective Intelligence
In-Reply-To: <099B1A7A-659E-4727-8EC9-A775C64D4A68@quietstars.com>
References: <20071206082939.GC96935@thegestalt.org>
	<F9F84076-61D8-419C-AC32-BEBB005B43EF@quietstars.com>
	<A47F7DB9-98C4-4BB8-BBAA-752AFF51F413@hexten.net>
	<099B1A7A-659E-4727-8EC9-A775C64D4A68@quietstars.com>
Message-ID: <4FCED01A-8DE4-4FEA-9E41-34A245A94316@hexten.net>

On 7 Dec 2007, at 09:36, Adrian Howard wrote:
>> I wish I'd picked it instead of the Erlang book...
>
> If you don't want it I'll take it off your hands :-)


I might as well finish it - but then I'll post it to you if you mail  
me your address.

-- 
Andy Armstrong, Hexten





From andy at hexten.net  Fri Dec  7 14:28:50 2007
From: andy at hexten.net (Andy Armstrong)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:28:50 +0000
Subject: Dongley
In-Reply-To: <20071207113505.GW96935@thegestalt.org>
References: <20071207113505.GW96935@thegestalt.org>
Message-ID: <22718634-146E-4B09-9EF8-A390EAA89CEB@hexten.net>

On 7 Dec 2007, at 11:35, Simon Wistow wrote:

> The latest Dashboard update for the Xbox 360 allows FAT32 USB drives  
> to
> be plugged into it.
>
> What I'd really like is something that could act as a USB HD but
> would also have a network connection (wired or wireless is fine) so  
> that
> content on it can be manipulated by real machines.

I assume Xbox (or indeed anything) would get properly confused  
accessing a filesystem that changed under its feet. What you describe  
is roughly the same as connecting two computers to one hard drive and  
expecting it to work.

-- 
Andy Armstrong, Hexten





From greg at mccarroll.org.uk  Fri Dec  7 14:44:11 2007
From: greg at mccarroll.org.uk (Greg McCarroll)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:44:11 +0000
Subject: [REVIEW] Programming Collective Intelligence
In-Reply-To: <4FCED01A-8DE4-4FEA-9E41-34A245A94316@hexten.net>
References: <20071206082939.GC96935@thegestalt.org>
	<F9F84076-61D8-419C-AC32-BEBB005B43EF@quietstars.com>
	<A47F7DB9-98C4-4BB8-BBAA-752AFF51F413@hexten.net>
	<099B1A7A-659E-4727-8EC9-A775C64D4A68@quietstars.com>
	<4FCED01A-8DE4-4FEA-9E41-34A245A94316@hexten.net>
Message-ID: <20071207144411.GA28576@mccarroll.org.uk>

On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 02:19:29PM +0000, Andy Armstrong wrote:
> On 7 Dec 2007, at 09:36, Adrian Howard wrote:
> >>I wish I'd picked it instead of the Erlang book...
> >
> >If you don't want it I'll take it off your hands :-)
> 
> 
> I might as well finish it - but then I'll post it to you if you mail  
> me your address.
> 

Adrian,

is there any chance you could mail it to me after that? I partly want
to read it, but a bit of me wants to start a crazy book mailing system.

G.

From abuse at cabal.org.uk  Fri Dec  7 15:09:15 2007
From: abuse at cabal.org.uk (Peter Corlett)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:09:15 +0000
Subject: [REVIEW] Programming Collective Intelligence
In-Reply-To: <20071207144411.GA28576@mccarroll.org.uk>
References: <20071206082939.GC96935@thegestalt.org>
	<F9F84076-61D8-419C-AC32-BEBB005B43EF@quietstars.com>
	<A47F7DB9-98C4-4BB8-BBAA-752AFF51F413@hexten.net>
	<099B1A7A-659E-4727-8EC9-A775C64D4A68@quietstars.com>
	<4FCED01A-8DE4-4FEA-9E41-34A245A94316@hexten.net>
	<20071207144411.GA28576@mccarroll.org.uk>
Message-ID: <B96DB076-BF1A-49B7-9A28-CF878DA7F78A@cabal.org.uk>

On 7 Dec 2007, at 14:44, Greg McCarroll wrote:
[...]
> is there any chance you could mail it to me after that? I partly want
> to read it, but a bit of me wants to start a crazy book mailing  
> system.

Have you seen bookmooch.com? I've had it recommended to me by somebody  
who has been very happy with the results.

I'm tempted to sign up as I have a pile of books that I'm never going  
to read again (or in some cases, read a first time either).



From andy at hexten.net  Fri Dec  7 15:32:55 2007
From: andy at hexten.net (Andy Armstrong)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:32:55 +0000
Subject: [REVIEW] Programming Collective Intelligence
In-Reply-To: <B96DB076-BF1A-49B7-9A28-CF878DA7F78A@cabal.org.uk>
References: <20071206082939.GC96935@thegestalt.org>
	<F9F84076-61D8-419C-AC32-BEBB005B43EF@quietstars.com>
	<A47F7DB9-98C4-4BB8-BBAA-752AFF51F413@hexten.net>
	<099B1A7A-659E-4727-8EC9-A775C64D4A68@quietstars.com>
	<4FCED01A-8DE4-4FEA-9E41-34A245A94316@hexten.net>
	<20071207144411.GA28576@mccarroll.org.uk>
	<B96DB076-BF1A-49B7-9A28-CF878DA7F78A@cabal.org.uk>
Message-ID: <90F3B554-0681-45DA-8752-775CEAC920C7@hexten.net>

On 7 Dec 2007, at 15:09, Peter Corlett wrote:
> I'm tempted to sign up as I have a pile of books that I'm never  
> going to read again (or in some cases, read a first time either).


I was pretty active on BookMooch until our local post office closed.  
Now that it's reopened I should probably get back into it. BookMooch  
is recommended.

-- 
Andy Armstrong, Hexten





From stig at brautaset.org  Fri Dec  7 15:35:14 2007
From: stig at brautaset.org (Stig Brautaset)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:35:14 +0000
Subject: [REVIEW] Programming Collective Intelligence
In-Reply-To: <20071207144411.GA28576@mccarroll.org.uk>
References: <20071206082939.GC96935@thegestalt.org>
	<F9F84076-61D8-419C-AC32-BEBB005B43EF@quietstars.com>
	<A47F7DB9-98C4-4BB8-BBAA-752AFF51F413@hexten.net>
	<099B1A7A-659E-4727-8EC9-A775C64D4A68@quietstars.com>
	<4FCED01A-8DE4-4FEA-9E41-34A245A94316@hexten.net>
	<20071207144411.GA28576@mccarroll.org.uk>
Message-ID: <7B0DBA47-C614-45F3-BC04-A7347A6EC7CA@brautaset.org>

On 7 Dec 2007, at 14:44, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> is there any chance you could mail it to me after that? I partly want
> to read it, but a bit of me wants to start a crazy book mailing  
> system.

That *is* pretty crazy. The problem with books (in this respect) is  
that they're a bit heavier than DVDs. My copy of the Perl Cookbook is  
just under 1200 grams on my kitchen scales. This costs ?4.25 to send,  
not counting the wrapping paper and effort of going to the post office  
(which I suspect you'd have to do).

How do you intend to make it worthwile? Library cards are free :)

[0] http://sg.royalmail.com/portal/rm/PriceFinderResults?pageId=pc_sltc_rm_results&keyname=rmPriceFinderResults&catId=23500532

Stig
-- 
http://code.brautaset.org
http://blog.brautaset.org




From adrianh at quietstars.com  Fri Dec  7 15:38:06 2007
From: adrianh at quietstars.com (Adrian Howard)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:38:06 +0000
Subject: [REVIEW] Programming Collective Intelligence
In-Reply-To: <20071207144411.GA28576@mccarroll.org.uk>
References: <20071206082939.GC96935@thegestalt.org>
	<F9F84076-61D8-419C-AC32-BEBB005B43EF@quietstars.com>
	<A47F7DB9-98C4-4BB8-BBAA-752AFF51F413@hexten.net>
	<099B1A7A-659E-4727-8EC9-A775C64D4A68@quietstars.com>
	<4FCED01A-8DE4-4FEA-9E41-34A245A94316@hexten.net>
	<20071207144411.GA28576@mccarroll.org.uk>
Message-ID: <1D893D36-F9E6-4CF3-903A-B6C037A19E0E@quietstars.com>


On 7 Dec 2007, at 14:44, Greg McCarroll wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 02:19:29PM +0000, Andy Armstrong wrote:
>> On 7 Dec 2007, at 09:36, Adrian Howard wrote:
>>>> I wish I'd picked it instead of the Erlang book...
>>>
>>> If you don't want it I'll take it off your hands :-)
>>
>>
>> I might as well finish it - but then I'll post it to you if you mail
>> me your address.
>
> Adrian,
>
> is there any chance you could mail it to me after that?

Certainly. I just want to give it a once over since the Agile group I  
used to play with in Oxford are learning it and I want to tag along.

> I partly want
> to read it, but a bit of me wants to start a crazy book mailing  
> system.

After the demo at the end of LPW I'm sure somebody can knock  
something together with Catalyst in an odd half hour :-)

Adrian

From andy at hexten.net  Fri Dec  7 15:52:14 2007
From: andy at hexten.net (Andy Armstrong)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:52:14 +0000
Subject: [REVIEW] Programming Collective Intelligence
In-Reply-To: <7B0DBA47-C614-45F3-BC04-A7347A6EC7CA@brautaset.org>
References: <20071206082939.GC96935@thegestalt.org>
	<F9F84076-61D8-419C-AC32-BEBB005B43EF@quietstars.com>
	<A47F7DB9-98C4-4BB8-BBAA-752AFF51F413@hexten.net>
	<099B1A7A-659E-4727-8EC9-A775C64D4A68@quietstars.com>
	<4FCED01A-8DE4-4FEA-9E41-34A245A94316@hexten.net>
	<20071207144411.GA28576@mccarroll.org.uk>
	<7B0DBA47-C614-45F3-BC04-A7347A6EC7CA@brautaset.org>
Message-ID: <18B819D1-87B3-44F8-812E-F032608A0125@hexten.net>

On 7 Dec 2007, at 15:35, Stig Brautaset wrote:
> How do you intend to make it worthwile? Library cards are free :)


I'm going to tear out all the pages I don't consider useful before I  
send it - of course :)

-- 
Andy Armstrong, Hexten





From philippe.bruhat at free.fr  Fri Dec  7 16:08:39 2007
From: philippe.bruhat at free.fr (Philippe Bruhat (BooK))
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 17:08:39 +0100
Subject: [REVIEW] Programming Collective Intelligence
In-Reply-To: <7B0DBA47-C614-45F3-BC04-A7347A6EC7CA@brautaset.org>
References: <20071206082939.GC96935@thegestalt.org>
	<F9F84076-61D8-419C-AC32-BEBB005B43EF@quietstars.com>
	<A47F7DB9-98C4-4BB8-BBAA-752AFF51F413@hexten.net>
	<099B1A7A-659E-4727-8EC9-A775C64D4A68@quietstars.com>
	<4FCED01A-8DE4-4FEA-9E41-34A245A94316@hexten.net>
	<20071207144411.GA28576@mccarroll.org.uk>
	<7B0DBA47-C614-45F3-BC04-A7347A6EC7CA@brautaset.org>
Message-ID: <20071207160839.GB5589@plop.home.bruhat.net>

On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 03:35:14PM +0000, Stig Brautaset wrote:
> On 7 Dec 2007, at 14:44, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>> is there any chance you could mail it to me after that? I partly want
>> to read it, but a bit of me wants to start a crazy book mailing system.
>
> That *is* pretty crazy. The problem with books (in this respect) is that 
> they're a bit heavier than DVDs. My copy of the Perl Cookbook is just under 
> 1200 grams on my kitchen scales. This costs ?4.25 to send, not counting 
> the wrapping paper and effort of going to the post office (which I suspect 
> you'd have to do).
>
> How do you intend to make it worthwile? Library cards are free :)

Another option is called BookCrossing. I've never experienced it (I just
keep buying shelves), but I know some people who seem to like it.

http://www.bookcrossing.com/

-- 
 Philippe Bruhat (BooK)

 Remember that what is good for the goose may not be good for the gender.
                                     (Moral from Groo The Wanderer #4 (Epic))

From dave at dave.org.uk  Fri Dec  7 16:36:10 2007
From: dave at dave.org.uk (Dave Cross)
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:36:10 +0000
Subject: [REVIEW] Programming Collective Intelligence
In-Reply-To: <20071207160839.GB5589@plop.home.bruhat.net>
References: <20071206082939.GC96935@thegestalt.org>
	<F9F84076-61D8-419C-AC32-BEBB005B43EF@quietstars.com>
	<A47F7DB9-98C4-4BB8-BBAA-752AFF51F413@hexten.net>
	<099B1A7A-659E-4727-8EC9-A775C64D4A68@quietstars.com>
	<4FCED01A-8DE4-4FEA-9E41-34A245A94316@hexten.net>
	<20071207144411.GA28576@mccarroll.org.uk>
	<7B0DBA47-C614-45F3-BC04-A7347A6EC7CA@brautaset.org>
	<20071207160839.GB5589@plop.home.bruhat.net>
Message-ID: <20071207163610.sx5lz92d04k4cggs@webmail.mag-sol.com>

Quoting "Philippe Bruhat (BooK)" <philippe.bruhat at free.fr>:

> Another option is called BookCrossing. I've never experienced it (I just
> keep buying shelves), but I know some people who seem to like it.
>
> http://www.bookcrossing.com/

IIRC, Book Crossing avoids the postage issue by encouraging you to  
just leave your book in a random public spot for anyone to pick up.

Not sure how well programming books would do like that :-)

Dave...



From billy at cowfish.org.uk  Fri Dec  7 17:03:07 2007
From: billy at cowfish.org.uk (Billy Abbott)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 17:03:07 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [REVIEW] Programming Collective Intelligence
In-Reply-To: <20071207163610.sx5lz92d04k4cggs@webmail.mag-sol.com>
References: <20071206082939.GC96935@thegestalt.org>
	<F9F84076-61D8-419C-AC32-BEBB005B43EF@quietstars.com>
	<A47F7DB9-98C4-4BB8-BBAA-752AFF51F413@hexten.net>
	<099B1A7A-659E-4727-8EC9-A775C64D4A68@quietstars.com>
	<4FCED01A-8DE4-4FEA-9E41-34A245A94316@hexten.net>
	<20071207144411.GA28576@mccarroll.org.uk>
	<7B0DBA47-C614-45F3-BC04-A7347A6EC7CA@brautaset.org>
	<20071207160839.GB5589@plop.home.bruhat.net>
	<20071207163610.sx5lz92d04k4cggs@webmail.mag-sol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0712071659350.28653@theproject.fierypit.org>

On Fri, 7 Dec 2007, Dave Cross wrote:

> Quoting "Philippe Bruhat (BooK)" <philippe.bruhat at free.fr>:
>
>> Another option is called BookCrossing. I've never experienced it (I just
>> keep buying shelves), but I know some people who seem to like it.
>> 
>> http://www.bookcrossing.com/
>
> IIRC, Book Crossing avoids the postage issue by encouraging you to just leave 
> your book in a random public spot for anyone to pick up.
>
> Not sure how well programming books would do like that :-)

They also have some more specific BookCrossing locations - if enough 
people were interested in a techy book one then someone could negotiate a 
location with an accomodating party (the nice folk at the Pembury Tavern?)

--billy

-- 
Condition: Taupe
  Billy Abbott                     billy at cowfish dot org dot uk

From abuse at cabal.org.uk  Fri Dec  7 17:08:48 2007
From: abuse at cabal.org.uk (Peter Corlett)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 17:08:48 +0000
Subject: [REVIEW] Programming Collective Intelligence
In-Reply-To: <90F3B554-0681-45DA-8752-775CEAC920C7@hexten.net>
References: <20071206082939.GC96935@thegestalt.org>
	<F9F84076-61D8-419C-AC32-BEBB005B43EF@quietstars.com>
	<A47F7DB9-98C4-4BB8-BBAA-752AFF51F413@hexten.net>
	<099B1A7A-659E-4727-8EC9-A775C64D4A68@quietstars.com>
	<4FCED01A-8DE4-4FEA-9E41-34A245A94316@hexten.net>
	<20071207144411.GA28576@mccarroll.org.uk>
	<B96DB076-BF1A-49B7-9A28-CF878DA7F78A@cabal.org.uk>
	<90F3B554-0681-45DA-8752-775CEAC920C7@hexten.net>
Message-ID: <A81B0468-3772-4FFC-BE6E-ADF84F257CC6@cabal.org.uk>

On 7 Dec 2007, at 15:32, Andy Armstrong wrote:
[...]
> I was pretty active on BookMooch until our local post office closed.  
> Now that it's reopened I should probably get back into it. BookMooch  
> is recommended.

I've just signed up and dumped in a pile of books I'm never going to  
read. Two "lucky" people have just gained themselves a dreary tome,  
one by Francis Wheen and the other by George Monbiot. Perhaps they  
just suffer from insomnia.

Interestingly, they're both vaguely in the London area, which suggests  
that a monthly London mooch in a pub somewhere might not be that bad  
an idea.



From zzbbyy at gmail.com  Fri Dec  7 17:09:19 2007
From: zzbbyy at gmail.com (Zbigniew Lukasiak)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 17:09:19 +0000
Subject: [REVIEW] Programming Collective Intelligence
In-Reply-To: <20071207163610.sx5lz92d04k4cggs@webmail.mag-sol.com>
References: <20071206082939.GC96935@thegestalt.org>
	<F9F84076-61D8-419C-AC32-BEBB005B43EF@quietstars.com>
	<A47F7DB9-98C4-4BB8-BBAA-752AFF51F413@hexten.net>
	<099B1A7A-659E-4727-8EC9-A775C64D4A68@quietstars.com>
	<4FCED01A-8DE4-4FEA-9E41-34A245A94316@hexten.net>
	<20071207144411.GA28576@mccarroll.org.uk>
	<7B0DBA47-C614-45F3-BC04-A7347A6EC7CA@brautaset.org>
	<20071207160839.GB5589@plop.home.bruhat.net>
	<20071207163610.sx5lz92d04k4cggs@webmail.mag-sol.com>
Message-ID: <d36a60910712070909y472855f0n2af666bacfd1d9d6@mail.gmail.com>

On Dec 7, 2007 4:36 PM, Dave Cross <dave at dave.org.uk> wrote:
> Quoting "Philippe Bruhat (BooK)" <philippe.bruhat at free.fr>:
>
> > Another option is called BookCrossing. I've never experienced it (I just
> > keep buying shelves), but I know some people who seem to like it.
> >
> > http://www.bookcrossing.com/
>
> IIRC, Book Crossing avoids the postage issue by encouraging you to
> just leave your book in a random public spot for anyone to pick up.
>
> Not sure how well programming books would do like that :-)

I think this should work if the public spot was the pub where Perl
Mongers have meetings.

Zbyszek

From ti at lemonia.org  Fri Dec  7 17:45:45 2007
From: ti at lemonia.org (Tim Sweetman)
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:45:45 +0000
Subject: [REVIEW] Programming Collective Intelligence
In-Reply-To: <A81B0468-3772-4FFC-BE6E-ADF84F257CC6@cabal.org.uk>
References: <20071206082939.GC96935@thegestalt.org>	<F9F84076-61D8-419C-AC32-BEBB005B43EF@quietstars.com>	<A47F7DB9-98C4-4BB8-BBAA-752AFF51F413@hexten.net>	<099B1A7A-659E-4727-8EC9-A775C64D4A68@quietstars.com>	<4FCED01A-8DE4-4FEA-9E41-34A245A94316@hexten.net>	<20071207144411.GA28576@mccarroll.org.uk>	<B96DB076-BF1A-49B7-9A28-CF878DA7F78A@cabal.org.uk>	<90F3B554-0681-45DA-8752-775CEAC920C7@hexten.net>
	<A81B0468-3772-4FFC-BE6E-ADF84F257CC6@cabal.org.uk>
Message-ID: <475986C9.7090604@lemonia.org>

Peter Corlett wrote:

> On 7 Dec 2007, at 15:32, Andy Armstrong wrote:
> [...]
>
>> I was pretty active on BookMooch until our local post office closed.  
>> Now that it's reopened I should probably get back into it. BookMooch  
>> is recommended.
>
>
> I've just signed up and dumped in a pile of books I'm never going to  
> read. Two "lucky" people have just gained themselves a dreary tome,  
> one by Francis Wheen and the other by George Monbiot. Perhaps they  
> just suffer from insomnia.

Well, with Wheen and Monbiot, they can end up having some very confused 
nightmares. And then they can suffer from insomnia.

This seems to be a fairly severe problem with bookshelves where people 
leave stuff: they become, over time, increasingly full of stuff that 
nobody wants, because such books are more likely to arrive, and less 
likely to leave.

ti'



From publiustemp-londonpm at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  7 18:51:43 2007
From: publiustemp-londonpm at yahoo.com (Ovid)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:51:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [REVIEW] Programming Collective Intelligence
In-Reply-To: <A47F7DB9-98C4-4BB8-BBAA-752AFF51F413@hexten.net>
Message-ID: <471368.15520.qm@web60811.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Andy Armstrong <andy at hexten.net> wrote:

> On 6 Dec 2007, at 11:50, Adrian Howard wrote:
> > I almost bought this at LPW. Now I definitely have too. Damn.
> 
> 
> I wish I'd picked it instead of the Erlang book...

The funny thing is that I did and was envious you grabbed the last
Erlang book :)

I've not had a chance to crack the cover yet.  I think it will be a
good read.

Cheers,
Ovid

--
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From abuse at cabal.org.uk  Fri Dec  7 18:57:00 2007
From: abuse at cabal.org.uk (Peter Corlett)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:57:00 +0000
Subject: [REVIEW] Programming Collective Intelligence
In-Reply-To: <475986C9.7090604@lemonia.org>
References: <20071206082939.GC96935@thegestalt.org>	<F9F84076-61D8-419C-AC32-BEBB005B43EF@quietstars.com>	<A47F7DB9-98C4-4BB8-BBAA-752AFF51F413@hexten.net>	<099B1A7A-659E-4727-8EC9-A775C64D4A68@quietstars.com>	<4FCED01A-8DE4-4FEA-9E41-34A245A94316@hexten.net>	<20071207144411.GA28576@mccarroll.org.uk>	<B96DB076-BF1A-49B7-9A28-CF878DA7F78A@cabal.org.uk>	<90F3B554-0681-45DA-8752-775CEAC920C7@hexten.net>
	<A81B0468-3772-4FFC-BE6E-ADF84F257CC6@cabal.org.uk>
	<475986C9.7090604@lemonia.org>
Message-ID: <5214227C-5FD8-4D24-9243-61738693ADD1@cabal.org.uk>

On 7 Dec 2007, at 17:45, Tim Sweetman wrote:
> Peter Corlett wrote:
[...]
>> I've just signed up and dumped in a pile of books I'm never going  
>> to  read. Two "lucky" people have just gained themselves a dreary  
>> tome,  one by Francis Wheen and the other by George Monbiot.  
>> Perhaps they  just suffer from insomnia.
> Well, with Wheen and Monbiot, they can end up having some very  
> confused nightmares. And then they can suffer from insomnia.

No suckers^W lucky people for the John Harris book, although somebody  
is circling Windows 98 Annoyances. I hope they've got a large enough  
loading dock for that one.

> This seems to be a fairly severe problem with bookshelves where  
> people leave stuff: they become, over time, increasingly full of  
> stuff that nobody wants, because such books are more likely to  
> arrive, and less likely to leave.

And how do you think I ended up with several mostly unreadable left- 
wing books? ;)



From abuse at cabal.org.uk  Fri Dec  7 19:04:53 2007
From: abuse at cabal.org.uk (Peter Corlett)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 19:04:53 +0000
Subject: [REVIEW] Programming Collective Intelligence
In-Reply-To: <471368.15520.qm@web60811.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <471368.15520.qm@web60811.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <77F728F5-3D6B-4506-82F2-11132948ED72@cabal.org.uk>

On 7 Dec 2007, at 18:51, Ovid wrote:
> --- Andy Armstrong <andy at hexten.net> wrote:
[...]
>> I wish I'd picked it instead of the Erlang book...
> The funny thing is that I did and was envious you grabbed the last
> Erlang book :)

It's like the way that chips always taste better if you pinch them off  
somebody else's plate.

> I've not had a chance to crack the cover yet.  I think it will be a
> good read.

It's got that "this is stuff I really ought to know" feel to it  
although I've barely looked at it so far.



From andy at hexten.net  Fri Dec  7 19:06:21 2007
From: andy at hexten.net (Andy Armstrong)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 19:06:21 +0000
Subject: [REVIEW] Programming Collective Intelligence
In-Reply-To: <471368.15520.qm@web60811.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <471368.15520.qm@web60811.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7C7A4651-8FA7-4D9D-B7FE-D67BF5E17B98@hexten.net>

On 7 Dec 2007, at 18:51, Ovid wrote:
>> I wish I'd picked it instead of the Erlang book...
>
> The funny thing is that I did and was envious you grabbed the last
> Erlang book :)

Yeah, you got the last laugh. And I guess you'll get the london.pm  
community Erlang book when Adrian and Greg are done with it :)

-- 
Andy Armstrong, Hexten





From greg at mccarroll.org.uk  Fri Dec  7 20:23:30 2007
From: greg at mccarroll.org.uk (Greg McCarroll)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 20:23:30 +0000
Subject: [REVIEW] Programming Collective Intelligence
In-Reply-To: <7C7A4651-8FA7-4D9D-B7FE-D67BF5E17B98@hexten.net>
References: <471368.15520.qm@web60811.mail.yahoo.com>
	<7C7A4651-8FA7-4D9D-B7FE-D67BF5E17B98@hexten.net>
Message-ID: <20071207202330.GA31046@mccarroll.org.uk>

On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 07:06:21PM +0000, Andy Armstrong wrote:
> On 7 Dec 2007, at 18:51, Ovid wrote:
> >>I wish I'd picked it instead of the Erlang book...
> >
> >The funny thing is that I did and was envious you grabbed the last
> >Erlang book :)
> 
> Yeah, you got the last laugh. And I guess you'll get the london.pm  
> community Erlang book when Adrian and Greg are done with it :)
> 

are we allowed to politely and neatly annotate it?

G.

From andy at hexten.net  Fri Dec  7 21:17:53 2007
From: andy at hexten.net (Andy Armstrong)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:17:53 +0000
Subject: [REVIEW] Programming Collective Intelligence
In-Reply-To: <20071207202330.GA31046@mccarroll.org.uk>
References: <471368.15520.qm@web60811.mail.yahoo.com>
	<7C7A4651-8FA7-4D9D-B7FE-D67BF5E17B98@hexten.net>
	<20071207202330.GA31046@mccarroll.org.uk>
Message-ID: <BA7442F9-2759-4D80-8314-F7B09065DF13@hexten.net>

On 7 Dec 2007, at 20:23, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> are we allowed to politely and neatly annotate it?


Yup.

-- 
Andy Armstrong, Hexten





From simon at thegestalt.org  Fri Dec  7 22:57:07 2007
From: simon at thegestalt.org (Simon Wistow)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 22:57:07 +0000
Subject: Open Source Symposium CFP endin soon
Message-ID: <20071207225707.GL96935@thegestalt.org>

----- Forwarded message from fluhmann at gmail.com -----

Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:17:28 -0600
To: pm_groups at pm.org
From: fluhmann at gmail.com
Subject:  [pm_groups] Open Source Symposium CFP ending soon

Just a reminder that there's only one week left for the Open Source 
Symposium Call For Participation!  http://www.texasoss.org/cfp (Deadline 
is December 15th)

If you've been considering submitting, but aren't sure, I encourage you 
to go ahead and submit!  I know several of you present at your user 
group meetings and aren't afraid to speak in front of a large audience.  
The number of submissions are a little low right now, but it's to be 
expected since they usually all pour in during the last week (and some 
even after the deadline).

Once a few more talks start coming in, I'll likely post some of the 
topics on the schedule page.  This may give you an idea about something 
you may want to submit.  Remember, the topic range is wide and covers 
any aspect of open source that you'd like to talk about.


Symposium updates:
I've finally setup a new blog for news and updates.  You can subscribe 
to the feed from the from the News page (http://www.texasoss.org/news), 
or from the blog directly at http://blog.texasoss.org/

There's an IRC channel on Freenode, #texasoss

There is a panel session planned for the second day of the conference.  
Topic is currently TBD.  More information will be posted to the site and 
blog.


CFP submissions:
To submit a proposal, please e-mail submissions at texasoss.org with the 
following information:
    Your Name
    Your Email
    [optional] Short Bio
    Presentation Title
    Presentation Abstract
    [optional] Links to your presentation
    Time slot (20, 50 minute, or requested time)

Please visit http://www.texasoss.org/cfp for more information.

Thanks,
Jeremy Fluhmann
Open Source Symposium 2008
http://www.texasoss.org/
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From merijnb at iloquent.com  Fri Dec  7 23:10:47 2007
From: merijnb at iloquent.com (Merijn Broeren)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 00:10:47 +0100
Subject: All Hail the Golden New Age of Prosperity
In-Reply-To: <20071207133941.GD7829@plum.flirble.org>
References: <20071203102901.GH42776@thegestalt.org>
	<537d06d00712030416o60df3126gf8da99ed240e2851@mail.gmail.com>
	<20071207133941.GD7829@plum.flirble.org>
Message-ID: <20071207231047.GA8126@brugman.iloquent.nl>

Quoting Nicholas Clark (nick at ccl4.org):
> Unless he decides to auction the meeting date again, and someone suggests
> 8am on Sunday. :-)
> 
Well actually now that is a time I can make on a more regular basis. All
that's missing is the pub that's open at that time. 

;-)
-- 
Merijn Broeren | We take risks, we know we take them. Therefore, when things
               | come out against us, we have no cause for complaint.
               | - Scott, last journal entry, march 1912

From greg at mccarroll.org.uk  Sat Dec  8 01:22:06 2007
From: greg at mccarroll.org.uk (Greg McCarroll)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 01:22:06 +0000
Subject: All Hail the Golden New Age of Prosperity
In-Reply-To: <20071207231047.GA8126@brugman.iloquent.nl>
References: <20071203102901.GH42776@thegestalt.org>
	<537d06d00712030416o60df3126gf8da99ed240e2851@mail.gmail.com>
	<20071207133941.GD7829@plum.flirble.org>
	<20071207231047.GA8126@brugman.iloquent.nl>
Message-ID: <20071208012206.GA31682@mccarroll.org.uk>

On Sat, Dec 08, 2007 at 12:10:47AM +0100, Merijn Broeren wrote:
> Quoting Nicholas Clark (nick at ccl4.org):
> > Unless he decides to auction the meeting date again, and someone suggests
> > 8am on Sunday. :-)
> > 
> Well actually now that is a time I can make on a more regular basis. All
> that's missing is the pub that's open at that time. 
> 

The cock tavern.

Actually, we don't need to really have this rebellion as I think I've just got
us into a war with austria ;-)

G.

From publiustemp-londonpm at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  8 01:49:22 2007
From: publiustemp-londonpm at yahoo.com (Ovid)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 17:49:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [REVIEW] Programming Collective Intelligence
In-Reply-To: <20071207202330.GA31046@mccarroll.org.uk>
Message-ID: <825239.54369.qm@web60815.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Greg McCarroll <greg at mccarroll.org.uk> wrote:

> > Yeah, you got the last laugh. And I guess you'll get the london.pm 

> > community Erlang book when Adrian and Greg are done with it :)
> > 
> 
> are we allowed to politely and neatly annotate it?

So long as you drop the words "politely and".

Cheers,
Ovid

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Tech blog     - http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/

From david at cantrell.org.uk  Sat Dec  8 12:16:47 2007
From: david at cantrell.org.uk (David Cantrell)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 12:16:47 +0000
Subject: EMERGENCY I-need-beer-because-christmas-shopping-is-hell social
Message-ID: <20071208121647.GA31757@bytemark.barnyard.co.uk>

De Hems, 5pm, today

-- 
David Cantrell | Reality Engineer, Ministry of Information

    fdisk format reinstall, doo-dah, doo-dah;
    fdisk format reinstall, it's the Windows way

From bob at randomness.org.uk  Sat Dec  8 13:10:26 2007
From: bob at randomness.org.uk (Bob Walker)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 13:10:26 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Dim sum Today 1pm Dragon Castle
In-Reply-To: <20071207123754.GB7829@plum.flirble.org>
References: <a92222c80712060008p190cfe52y6482c9f3a96880a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<20071207123754.GB7829@plum.flirble.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOC.4.64.0712081305390.26025@nebula>

>
> PS Dear Google,
>   http://london.randomness.org.uk/wiki.cgi?Dragon_Castle,_SE17_1JL
>   (but please wait until the hosting company sorts its life out before
>    attempting to spider it)

Mdf and I have prodded the box and its all good. Having your bios 
decide it cant see any hard drives makes booting hard. bad hardware no 
cookie and certainly no dim sum.

There was no loss of data. Even if it had all gone wrong the backups were 
safe, secure and verifed to be useful.


-- 
Bob Walker
http://london.randomness.org.uk - http://tech.randomness.org.uk
http://rwc.randomness.org.uk    - http://londonjoinery.com
for great beery justice!        - meh! bah! indeeed!

From kake at earth.li  Sat Dec  8 15:01:48 2007
From: kake at earth.li (Kake L Pugh)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 15:01:48 +0000
Subject: Dim sum Today 1pm Dragon Castle
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOC.4.64.0712081305390.26025@nebula>
References: <a92222c80712060008p190cfe52y6482c9f3a96880a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<20071207123754.GB7829@plum.flirble.org>
	<Pine.SOC.4.64.0712081305390.26025@nebula>
Message-ID: <20071208150148.GB20538@the.earth.li>

On Sat 08 Dec 2007, Bob Walker <bob at randomness.org.uk> wrote:
> There was no loss of data. Even if it had all gone wrong the backups were 
> safe, secure and verifed to be useful.

It's probably also worth mentioning here that RGL has a blog (hosted
elsewhere) where we post stuff about (expected or unexpected) downtime.

  http://community.livejournal.com/rglondon/

Kake


From nick at ccl4.org  Sat Dec  8 16:48:10 2007
From: nick at ccl4.org (Nicholas Clark)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:48:10 +0000
Subject: All Hail the Golden New Age of Prosperity
In-Reply-To: <20071208012206.GA31682@mccarroll.org.uk>
References: <20071203102901.GH42776@thegestalt.org>
	<537d06d00712030416o60df3126gf8da99ed240e2851@mail.gmail.com>
	<20071207133941.GD7829@plum.flirble.org>
	<20071207231047.GA8126@brugman.iloquent.nl>
	<20071208012206.GA31682@mccarroll.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20071208164810.GI7829@plum.flirble.org>

On Sat, Dec 08, 2007 at 01:22:06AM +0000, Greg McCarroll wrote:

> Actually, we don't need to really have this rebellion as I think I've just got
> us into a war with austria ;-)

It all seems to related to the fact that YAPC::EU registration is open:

http://www.yapceurope2008.org/ye2008/stats

Clearly we aren't leading by enough yet. It's dreadfully easy to register for
YAPC::EU if you've already registered for the LPW (or any other ACT
conference). You don't actually have to commit to going yet, or pay anything.

Nicholas Clark

From andy at hexten.net  Sat Dec  8 17:02:21 2007
From: andy at hexten.net (Andy Armstrong)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:02:21 +0000
Subject: All Hail the Golden New Age of Prosperity
In-Reply-To: <20071208164810.GI7829@plum.flirble.org>
References: <20071203102901.GH42776@thegestalt.org>
	<537d06d00712030416o60df3126gf8da99ed240e2851@mail.gmail.com>
	<20071207133941.GD7829@plum.flirble.org>
	<20071207231047.GA8126@brugman.iloquent.nl>
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On 8 Dec 2007, at 16:48, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> Clearly we aren't leading by enough yet. It's dreadfully easy to  
> register for
> YAPC::EU if you've already registered for the LPW (or any other ACT
> conference). You don't actually have to commit to going yet, or pay  
> anything.


I'm in.

-- 
Andy Armstrong, Hexten