the worst railway

[Norman Cobley]

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>    1. Re: WTF? (why no alternate implemenations?) (Graham Barr)
>    2. Re: WTF? (why no alternate implemenations?) (Dave Hodgkinson)
>    3. Re: WTF? (why no alternate implemenations?) (Jesse Vincent)
>    4. Re: WTF? (why no alternate implemenations?) (Nicholas Clark)
>    5. Re: WTF? (why no alternate implemenations?) (Bob Walker)
>    6. Re: WTF? (why no alternate implemenations?) (Tim Sweetman)
>    7. Re: WTF? (why no alternate implemenations?) (Smylers)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 13:43:55 -0500
> From: Graham Barr <gbarr at pobox.com>
> Subject: Re: WTF? (why no alternate implemenations?)
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> On Mar 7, 2008, at 7:24 AM, Ovid wrote:
>> --- Luis Motta Campos <luismottacampos at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I never heard about Topaz. Anyone have interesting links at hand?
>>
>> http://www.perl.com/pub/a/1999/09/topaz.html
>>
>> It was an interesting idea.  It was a worthwhile project.  It failed.
>
> I do not think it failed. Anyone who was in the meeting in Monterey
> will remember the throwing of hotel mugs at walls, which sparked the
> start of the Perl6 effort. As a result of that effort Topaz was
> abandoned, but I do not think it failed.
>
> Graham.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:38:08 +0100
> From: Dave Hodgkinson <davehodg at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: WTF? (why no alternate implemenations?)
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> On 9 Mar 2008, at 19:43, Graham Barr wrote:
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>> On Mar 7, 2008, at 7:24 AM, Ovid wrote:
>>> --- Luis Motta Campos <luismottacampos at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I never heard about Topaz. Anyone have interesting links at hand?
>>>
>>> http://www.perl.com/pub/a/1999/09/topaz.html
>>>
>>> It was an interesting idea.  It was a worthwhile project.  It failed.
>>
>> I do not think it failed. Anyone who was in the meeting in Monterey
>> will remember the throwing of hotel mugs at walls, which sparked the
>> start of the Perl6 effort. As a result of that effort Topaz was
>> abandoned, but I do not think it failed.
>
>
> Is it my imagination or was Parrot spawned over Dim Sum at the New
> World?
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 17:51:36 -0400
> From: Jesse Vincent <jesse at fsck.com>
> Subject: Re: WTF? (why no alternate implemenations?)
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> On Mar 9, 2008, at 5:38 PM, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
>> Is it my imagination or was Parrot spawned over Dim Sum at the New
>> World?
>>
>
> I'd sort of expect that to be the now-defunct Ponie
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:08:41 +0000
> From: Nicholas Clark <nick at ccl4.org>
> Subject: Re: WTF? (why no alternate implemenations?)
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> On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 05:51:36PM -0400, Jesse Vincent wrote:
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2008, at 5:38 PM, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
>> >Is it my imagination or was Parrot spawned over Dim Sum at the New
>> >World?
>> >
>>
>> I'd sort of expect that to be the now-defunct Ponie
>
> I'm not sure where the precursors of the ideas came from, but the actual
> plan came together at a barbequeue at James Duncan's house in Highams
> Park.
>
> (On a day when One Railway decided to challenge us all by replacing trains
> with buses, to ensure that only the truly determined could make it there.
> One Railway is now National Express East Anglia, and the website certainly
> seems a bit easier to use, but I've no idea whether they are any more
> competent at rail replacement bus services than One were(n't).
> Southeastern,
> in comparison, are actually quite good at it)
>
> Nicholas Clark
>
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> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:08:55 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Bob Walker <bob at randomness.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: WTF? (why no alternate implemenations?)
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> On Sun, 9 Mar 2008, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
>
>>
>> Is it my imagination or was Parrot spawned over Dim Sum at the New
>> World?
>>
>
> surely that would have a been cockroach :)
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:38:38 +0000
> From: Tim Sweetman <ti at lemonia.org>
> Subject: Re: WTF? (why no alternate implemenations?)
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> On 9 Mar 2008, at 21:38, Dave Hodgkinson <davehodg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 9 Mar 2008, at 19:43, Graham Barr wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 7, 2008, at 7:24 AM, Ovid wrote:
>>>> --- Luis Motta Campos <luismottacampos at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I never heard about Topaz. Anyone have interesting links at hand?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.perl.com/pub/a/1999/09/topaz.html
>>>>
>>>> It was an interesting idea.  It was a worthwhile project.  It
>>>> failed.
>>>
>>> I do not think it failed. Anyone who was in the meeting in Monterey
>>> will remember the throwing of hotel mugs at walls, which sparked
>>> the start of the Perl6 effort. As a result of that effort Topaz was
>>> abandoned, but I do not think it failed.
>>
>>
>> Is it my imagination or was Parrot spawned over Dim Sum at the New
>> World?
>
> I think you will find that that was a duck, not a parrot...
>
> Tim
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 23:46:25 +0000
> From: Smylers <Smylers at stripey.com>
> Subject: Re: WTF? (why no alternate implemenations?)
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> Nicholas Clark writes:
>
>> ... One Railway decided to challenge us all by replacing trains with
>> buses, to ensure that only the truly determined could make it there.
>> One Railway is now National Express East Anglia, and the website
>> certainly seems a bit easier to use, but I've no idea whether they are
>> any more competent at rail replacement bus services than One
>> were(n't).
>
> They are the same people -- National Express have always had that
> franchise, even though the brand they chose for it, One, didn't indicate
> that.  So I expect their abilities with rail-replacement buses hasn't
> improved.
>
> The worst service I've had with a rail-replacement bus was with Midland
> Mainline, which was also a National Express franchise.  Station staff
> explained the problem was that they weren't allowed to contract the best
> coach operator for the circumstances: the parent company forced them to
> use National Express coaches.
>
> Smylers
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im afraid first great eastern (and only one of those words is true) still
hold some sort of record for detaining us for 4.5 hours on a train beside
a sewage works between chelmsford and liverpool st about 2002 .. unless of
course anyone knows better ;+)