Perl is dead

Zbigniew Lukasiak zzbbyy at
Fri Dec 5 07:06:56 GMT 2008

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:41 PM, breno <breno at> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Michele Beltrame <mb at> wrote:
>> I think this simplicity of those installations derives from the fact that
>> providers are easily able to build a php/mod_php which includes the most used
>> things (mail functions, database access, image processing) directly into the
>> php binary. PHP programmers only need to upload their .php files via FTP and
>> they just work. No modules to install, it's all already there.
> I like where this might go. Although everyone in the Perl community
> knows TIMTOWTDI, we also know that some ways are better than others.
> Nonetheless, I believe this is not the case for people outside or just
> entering the Perl world, specially regarding modules and a certain
> public repository we all know and love. There's been a lot of effort
> in providing some support for recommendation such as annocpan,
> cpanratings, cpanrt, cpants, cpantesters, and the 'related modules'
> box, but they are mostly see-for-yourself-and-make-your-choice. Don't
> get me wrong, all those services are marvelous, but to Perl
> programmers. Beginners and enthusiasts probably won't figure them out
> ("so many options, so little time"), and web providers certainty won't
> care much. As a suggestion that might not go anywhere (or even
> introduce flame), maybe the community could discuss a set of
> recommended general purpose modules for our beloved general purpose
> language, ones we believe would cover most of the "popular Perl
> programming". Should we turn it into a Bundle or two (CPAN-Standard,
> CPAN-Enterprise, whatever), it'd be a lot easier for newcomers to know
> where to look at, easier for enterprises to evaluate Perl's power, and
> easier for everyone to deploy. As it would be sort of a "standard
> modules installation", Michele's comment ("no modules to install, it's
> all already there") would also apply to Perl (well, not Perl itself as
> I'm not talking about core modules, but I hope you know what I mean).

To support this - a blog post from Alistair Cocburn:
It is about the need for exact instructions for the beginners.   The
problem is of course in the module choice - I don't know if there ever
can be build a consensus about that.

Zbigniew Lukasiak

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