Perl is dead

Zbigniew Lukasiak zzbbyy at
Fri Dec 5 07:28:54 GMT 2008

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Zbigniew Lukasiak <zzbbyy at> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:41 PM, breno <breno at> wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Michele Beltrame <mb at> wrote:
>>> I think this simplicity of those installations derives from the fact that
>>> providers are easily able to build a php/mod_php which includes the most used
>>> things (mail functions, database access, image processing) directly into the
>>> php binary. PHP programmers only need to upload their .php files via FTP and
>>> they just work. No modules to install, it's all already there.
>> I like where this might go. Although everyone in the Perl community
>> knows TIMTOWTDI, we also know that some ways are better than others.
>> Nonetheless, I believe this is not the case for people outside or just
>> entering the Perl world, specially regarding modules and a certain
>> public repository we all know and love. There's been a lot of effort
>> in providing some support for recommendation such as annocpan,
>> cpanratings, cpanrt, cpants, cpantesters, and the 'related modules'
>> box, but they are mostly see-for-yourself-and-make-your-choice. Don't
>> get me wrong, all those services are marvelous, but to Perl
>> programmers. Beginners and enthusiasts probably won't figure them out
>> ("so many options, so little time"), and web providers certainty won't
>> care much. As a suggestion that might not go anywhere (or even
>> introduce flame), maybe the community could discuss a set of
>> recommended general purpose modules for our beloved general purpose
>> language, ones we believe would cover most of the "popular Perl
>> programming". Should we turn it into a Bundle or two (CPAN-Standard,
>> CPAN-Enterprise, whatever), it'd be a lot easier for newcomers to know
>> where to look at, easier for enterprises to evaluate Perl's power, and
>> easier for everyone to deploy. As it would be sort of a "standard
>> modules installation", Michele's comment ("no modules to install, it's
>> all already there") would also apply to Perl (well, not Perl itself as
>> I'm not talking about core modules, but I hope you know what I mean).
> To support this - a blog post from Alistair Cocburn:
> It is about the need for exact instructions for the beginners.   The
> problem is of course in the module choice - I don't know if there ever
> can be build a consensus about that.

Sorry - the original essay on Shu Ha Ri is at:

Zbigniew Lukasiak

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