From ilmari at ilmari.org Mon Apr 30 17:14:50 2012 From: ilmari at ilmari.org (Dagfinn Ilmari =?utf-8?Q?Manns=C3=A5ker?=) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:14:50 +0100 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] London Perl M[ou]ngers May Social - 2012-05-03 - The Bridge House, Tower Bridge, SE1 2UP Message-ID: Hi all, The May London.PM social will be this Thursday May 3rd at The Bridge House by Tower Bridge, which serves foamy Adnams beers, crisp Aspall ciders and tasty foods. The Bridge House 218 Tower Bridge Road London SE1 2UP http://london.randomness.org.uk/wiki.cgi?Bridge_House,_SE1_2UP Standard blurb: Social meets are a chance for the various members of the group to meet up face to face and chat with each other about things - both Perl and (mostly) non-Perl - and newcomers are more than welcome. The monthly meets tend to be bigger than the other ad hoc meetings that take place at other times, and we make sure that they're in easy to get to locations and the pub serves food (meaning that people can eat in the bar if they want to). They normally start around 6.30pm (or whenever people get there after work) and a group tends to be left come closing time. If you're a newcomer or other first timer (even if you've been lurking on the mailing list or on IRC) then please seek our Glorious Leader Tom out - we have a tradition that the leader of this motley crew buys the new people a drink and introduces them to people. -- ilmari "A disappointingly low fraction of the human race is, at any given time, on fire." - Stig Sandbeck Mathisen From abhishek.netjain at gmail.com Tue May 1 10:20:51 2012 From: abhishek.netjain at gmail.com (abhishek jain) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 14:50:51 +0530 Subject: [OT] Are there any Contracts roles open at the moment Message-ID: Hi, Slightly off topic. Are there any contract roles in UK in your knowledge? If yes please do pass me the reference offline, if no, please suggest me a way to get one :) I am looking for one. Will appreciate help from a fellow london perl monger. I have searched jobs.perl.org but couldnt find any http://jobs.perl.org/search?q=&location=United+Kingdom&offsite=&contractor=1. Any links / suggestions will be helpful. -- Thanks and kind Regards, AJ +44 203 286 3232 From mark at twoshortplanks.com Tue May 1 10:32:19 2012 From: mark at twoshortplanks.com (Mark Fowler) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 10:32:19 +0100 Subject: [OT] Are there any Contracts roles open at the moment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tuesday, 1 May 2012 at 10:20, abhishek jain wrote: > Are there any contract roles in UK in your knowledge? ... please suggest me a way to get one :) We have our own jobs mailing lists that you might want to check out: http://london.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs http://london.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs-discuss (http://london.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs) I see at least one contract position there in the last month -- Mark Fowler http://www.twoshortplanks.com/ From davehodg at gmail.com Tue May 1 11:28:41 2012 From: davehodg at gmail.com (Dave Hodgkinson) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 11:28:41 +0100 Subject: [OT] Are there any Contracts roles open at the moment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 1 May 2012, at 10:32, Mark Fowler wrote: > > On Tuesday, 1 May 2012 at 10:20, abhishek jain wrote: >> Are there any contract roles in UK in your knowledge? ... please suggest me a way to get one :) > > > > > We have our own jobs mailing lists that you might want to check out: > > http://london.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs > http://london.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs-discuss (http://london.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs) > > I see at least one contract position there in the last month That smells like Lovefilm. I believe they're hiring direct if you want to sidestep agents: http://corporate.blog.lovefilm.com/current-vacancies I have heard agents complaining that they interview contractors then make permie offers, but this is hearsay. From dominic at thoreau-online.net Tue May 1 11:44:34 2012 From: dominic at thoreau-online.net (Dominic Thoreau) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 11:44:34 +0100 Subject: [OT] Are there any Contracts roles open at the moment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 1 May 2012 11:28, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: > > I have heard agents complaining that they interview contractors then make > permie offers, but this is hearsay. My current gig, I was told by the recruiter that of three identical positions, two were permanent and one was a fixed-term contract, but in practice it seemed to be the other way around. Still, the contract was renewed for another year. Apparently this is an attempt to bypass corporate accounting controls somewhat, as is the outsourced team... Dominic -- Nonnullus unus commodo reddo is mihi. ABC*D1EFGHIJK2.LMNO3*4PQRST*ITUBE-STANDARD-ANTI-BULLSHEIT-EMAIL*U.56X From abuse at cabal.org.uk Tue May 1 12:40:20 2012 From: abuse at cabal.org.uk (Peter Corlett) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 12:40:20 +0100 Subject: [OT] Are there any Contracts roles open at the moment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120501114020.GA25129@mooli.org.uk> On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 11:28:41AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: [...] > That smells like Lovefilm. I believe they're hiring direct if you want > to sidestep agents: LOVEFiLM *are* hiring quite a few Perl developers, and there's a fat hiring bonus on offer to any staff who recommend a successful candidate. > http://corporate.blog.lovefilm.com/current-vacancies > I have heard agents complaining that they interview contractors then make > permie offers, but this is hearsay. I vaguely recall that the interviewer did ask whether I had applied for a permie or contract role. Some contractors may well be so tempted by the benefits package and other perks on offer that they decide to apply for a permie role instead. From davehodg at gmail.com Tue May 1 20:09:04 2012 From: davehodg at gmail.com (Dave Hodgkinson) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 20:09:04 +0100 Subject: Professional Indemnity Message-ID: The renewal notice I just got made my eyes water. Two things: 1. When you're not working for the BBC, what levels do you set it at? 2. Are Caunce O'Hara still the go to people for this? Thanks! From london.pm at jameslaver.com Tue May 1 20:36:41 2012 From: london.pm at jameslaver.com (James Laver) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 20:36:41 +0100 Subject: Professional Indemnity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <309CE9F6-9273-42B3-9BAC-1582FF8147D7@jameslaver.com> On 1 May 2012, at 20:09, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: > > The renewal notice I just got made my eyes water. Two things: > > 1. When you're not working for the BBC, what levels do you set it at? > > 2. Are Caunce O'Hara still the go to people for this? > > Thanks! 1. I used the BBC as a guide. My PI covers some silly figure anyway, it's the lowest they offer. 2. I'm using QDOS consulting and my renewal did not make my eyes water. /j From sue at pennine.com Tue May 1 20:43:49 2012 From: sue at pennine.com (Sue Spence) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 20:43:49 +0100 Subject: Professional Indemnity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 1 May 2012 20:09, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: > > The renewal notice I just got made my eyes water. Two things: > > 1. When you're not working for the BBC, what levels do you set it at? > > 2. Are Caunce O'Hara still the go to people for this? > How are you defining 'go to' ? I haven't spoken with anyone who has actually needed to make a claim on their PI insurance and I didn't find any reviews I felt I could trust on the subject. I recently found Caunce O'Hara rather expensive (seems I'm not the only one) and got my business insurance from Hiscox in the end. Until I make a claim on the policy I can't say for sure whether they were the correct choice... From paulm at paulm.com Tue May 1 20:52:10 2012 From: paulm at paulm.com (Paul Makepeace) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 12:52:10 -0700 Subject: Professional Indemnity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:43, Sue Spence wrote: > On 1 May 2012 20:09, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: >> >> The renewal notice I just got made my eyes water. Two things: >> >> 1. When you're not working for the BBC, what levels do you set it at? >> >> 2. Are Caunce O'Hara still the go to people for this? >> > > How are you defining 'go to' ? ?I haven't spoken with anyone who has > actually needed to make a claim on their PI insurance and I didn't > find any reviews I felt I could trust on the subject. ?I recently > found Caunce O'Hara rather expensive (seems I'm not the only one) and > got my business insurance from Hiscox in the end. ?Until I make a > claim on the policy I can't say for sure whether they were the correct > choice... I went with none. I didn't see the point of paying for something that seems to have zero legal (AFAIK) legal precedent. cat /dev/null Paul From davehodg at gmail.com Tue May 1 21:11:06 2012 From: davehodg at gmail.com (Dave Hodgkinson) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 21:11:06 +0100 Subject: Professional Indemnity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <66054EDA-5E01-46E3-B52F-79A2ABF678BB@gmail.com> On 1 May 2012, at 20:52, Paul Makepeace wrote: > On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:43, Sue Spence wrote: >> On 1 May 2012 20:09, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: >>> >>> The renewal notice I just got made my eyes water. Two things: >>> >>> 1. When you're not working for the BBC, what levels do you set it at? >>> >>> 2. Are Caunce O'Hara still the go to people for this? >>> >> >> How are you defining 'go to' ? I haven't spoken with anyone who has >> actually needed to make a claim on their PI insurance and I didn't >> find any reviews I felt I could trust on the subject. I recently >> found Caunce O'Hara rather expensive (seems I'm not the only one) and >> got my business insurance from Hiscox in the end. Until I make a >> claim on the policy I can't say for sure whether they were the correct >> choice... > > I went with none. I didn't see the point of paying for something that > seems to have zero legal (AFAIK) legal precedent. > > cat /dev/null It's been a requirement thus far. Probably no longer. From sue at pennine.com Tue May 1 21:44:16 2012 From: sue at pennine.com (Sue Spence) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 21:44:16 +0100 Subject: Professional Indemnity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 1 May 2012 20:52, Paul Makepeace wrote: > On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:43, Sue Spence wrote: >> On 1 May 2012 20:09, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: >>> >>> The renewal notice I just got made my eyes water. Two things: >>> >>> 1. When you're not working for the BBC, what levels do you set it at? >>> >>> 2. Are Caunce O'Hara still the go to people for this? >>> >> >> How are you defining 'go to' ? ?I haven't spoken with anyone who has >> actually needed to make a claim on their PI insurance and I didn't >> find any reviews I felt I could trust on the subject. ?I recently >> found Caunce O'Hara rather expensive (seems I'm not the only one) and >> got my business insurance from Hiscox in the end. ?Until I make a >> claim on the policy I can't say for sure whether they were the correct >> choice... > > I went with none. I didn't see the point of paying for something that > seems to have zero legal (AFAIK) legal precedent. In some situations, none isn't an option. I didn't buy it because I personally felt it would be useful - a client insisted. From djk at tobit.co.uk Wed May 2 00:04:49 2012 From: djk at tobit.co.uk (Dirk Koopman) Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 00:04:49 +0100 Subject: Professional Indemnity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FA06C11.2020507@tobit.co.uk> On 01/05/12 20:52, Paul Makepeace wrote: > > I went with none. I didn't see the point of paying for something that > seems to have zero legal (AFAIK) legal precedent. > > cat/dev/null > The problem with PI is that you have to have it when the punter makes the claim, not (just) when you did the work. Which means that if the BBC (just talking very hypothetically) wants to sue three years after you left them, and you have no PI in force, then you could be stuffed. I have successfully argued, in a non IR35 threatening way, that the customer has to test and accept the work that I do. Once (s)he has accepted the work, and they sell as theirs, then they must accept liability. In my view demanding PI for programmers (or other production occupation of customers' geegaws) is incorrect and probably not enforceable in a court. Where it is mandatory is if one provides a (consultancy) service (for money) directly to a company for its own internal use. Or so it was explained to me by a Lloyds broker that I did some work for many years ago. The people that I contracted to had the PI and they warranted the package that they supplied to that broker. Obviously everyone must have public liability for those days when one just can't seem to stop oneself dropping the customer's computer on his stupid foot. Dirk PS IANAL & IANAIB PPS Technically E&OE is a trademark for E&OE insurance and so I won't use it. Just bear that in mind as well though. From abhishek.netjain at gmail.com Wed May 2 09:36:09 2012 From: abhishek.netjain at gmail.com (abhishek jain) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 14:06:09 +0530 Subject: [OT] Are there any Contracts roles open at the moment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Mark Fowler wrote: > > On Tuesday, 1 May 2012 at 10:20, abhishek jain wrote: > > Are there any contract roles in UK in your knowledge? ... please suggest > me a way to get one :) > > > > > We have our own jobs mailing lists that you might want to check out: > > http://london.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs > http://london.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs-discuss ( > http://london.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs) this link http://london.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs-discuss dont saw archives to me, is it a valid mailing list! i am already a member of jobs one though. > -- > Thanks and kind Regards, Abhishek jain From david at cantrell.org.uk Wed May 2 09:53:47 2012 From: david at cantrell.org.uk (David Cantrell) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 09:53:47 +0100 Subject: [OT] Are there any Contracts roles open at the moment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120502085347.GA2444@bytemark.barnyard.co.uk> On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 02:06:09PM +0530, abhishek jain wrote: > this link http://london.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs-discuss dont saw > archives to me, is it a valid mailing list! i am already a member of jobs > one though. It's deliberately not archived. It's where we discuss the short-comings of job ads and recruiters. -- David Cantrell | Hero of the Information Age The Law of Daves: in any gathering of technical people, the number of Daves will be greater than the number of women. From essuu at ourshack.com Wed May 2 12:32:06 2012 From: essuu at ourshack.com (Simon Wilcox) Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 12:32:06 +0100 Subject: Professional Indemnity In-Reply-To: <4FA06C11.2020507@tobit.co.uk> References: <4FA06C11.2020507@tobit.co.uk> Message-ID: <4FA11B36.2010907@ourshack.com> On 02/05/2012 00:04, Dirk Koopman wrote: > > The problem with PI is that you have to have it when the punter makes > the claim, not (just) when you did the work. Which means that if the > BBC (just talking very hypothetically) wants to sue three years after > you left them, and you have no PI in force, then you could be stuffed. You can get what the insurance industry calls run-on insurance to cover you for claims arising from past work. It's relatively cheap if you're no longer contracting. > > I have successfully argued, in a non IR35 threatening way, that the > customer has to test and accept the work that I do. Once (s)he has > accepted the work, and they sell as theirs, then they must accept > liability. PI insurance should also cover making non-code related mistakes that could be deemed unprofessional. For instance if you accidentally breached a confidentiality agreement, resulting in a substantive loss for the client you might find that they'll sue you for the loss. PI insurance should be there to protect you. Personally I think it's a waste of money, I don't think I've ever heard of a contractor in the software industries we typically work in ever being sued for something that PI would protect. S. From essuu at ourshack.com Wed May 2 13:16:53 2012 From: essuu at ourshack.com (Simon Wilcox) Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 13:16:53 +0100 Subject: Professional Indemnity In-Reply-To: <4FA11B36.2010907@ourshack.com> References: <4FA06C11.2020507@tobit.co.uk> <4FA11B36.2010907@ourshack.com> Message-ID: <4FA125B5.6000800@ourshack.com> On 02/05/2012 12:32, Simon Wilcox wrote: > On 02/05/2012 00:04, Dirk Koopman wrote: >> >> The problem with PI is that you have to have it when the punter makes >> the claim, not (just) when you did the work. Which means that if the >> BBC (just talking very hypothetically) wants to sue three years after >> you left them, and you have no PI in force, then you could be stuffed. > > You can get what the insurance industry calls run-on insurance to > cover you for claims arising from past work. It's relatively cheap if > you're no longer contracting. It's run-off insurance, not run-on. I was only looking at this the other day ferchrisakes. S. From davehodg at gmail.com Wed May 2 16:42:25 2012 From: davehodg at gmail.com (Dave Hodgkinson) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 16:42:25 +0100 Subject: [OT] Are there any Contracts roles open at the moment In-Reply-To: <20120502085347.GA2444@bytemark.barnyard.co.uk> References: <20120502085347.GA2444@bytemark.barnyard.co.uk> Message-ID: <2D1A2332-FC70-4C66-BFD4-45D602BBC825@gmail.com> On 2 May 2012, at 09:53, David Cantrell wrote: > On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 02:06:09PM +0530, abhishek jain wrote: > >> this link http://london.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs-discuss dont saw >> archives to me, is it a valid mailing list! i am already a member of jobs >> one though. > > It's deliberately not archived. It's where we discuss the short-comings > of job ads and recruiters. And reveal who the jobs are for. From aaron.trevena at gmail.com Wed May 2 21:19:07 2012 From: aaron.trevena at gmail.com (Aaron Trevena) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 21:19:07 +0100 Subject: [OT] Are there any Contracts roles open at the moment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 1 May 2012 11:44, Dominic Thoreau wrote: > On 1 May 2012 11:28, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: >> >> I have heard agents complaining that they interview contractors then make >> permie offers, but this is hearsay. > > My current gig, I was told by the recruiter that of three identical > positions, two were permanent and one was a fixed-term contract, but > in practice it seemed to be the other way around. Still, the contract > was renewed for another year. > > Apparently this is an attempt to bypass corporate accounting controls > somewhat, as is the outsourced team... *waves* Speaking of which - both my employer and Dominic's are recruiting perl people (we're in cornwall, they're in london overlooking Tower Bridge and the "Shard") He gets a much better referral bonus than I do, but I'm only 15 mins from some of the nicest beaches in the country ;p A -- Aaron J Trevena, BSc Hons http://www.aarontrevena.co.uk LAMP System Integration, Development and Consulting From sthoenna at gmail.com Thu May 3 00:30:40 2012 From: sthoenna at gmail.com (Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 16:30:40 -0700 Subject: Professional Indemnity In-Reply-To: <4FA125B5.6000800@ourshack.com> References: <4FA06C11.2020507@tobit.co.uk> <4FA11B36.2010907@ourshack.com> <4FA125B5.6000800@ourshack.com> Message-ID: Err, is the BBC in the habit of suing their past employees? From sue at pennine.com Thu May 3 07:50:54 2012 From: sue at pennine.com (Sue Spence) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 07:50:54 +0100 Subject: Professional Indemnity In-Reply-To: References: <4FA06C11.2020507@tobit.co.uk> <4FA11B36.2010907@ourshack.com> <4FA125B5.6000800@ourshack.com> Message-ID: On 3 May 2012 00:30, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote: > Err, is the BBC in the habit of suing their past employees? The main topic of this conversation has been business insurance. I'm sure Lloyd's could sort out some cover for a truly worried person working under a normal employment contract though. From ilmari at ilmari.org Thu May 3 11:54:43 2012 From: ilmari at ilmari.org (Dagfinn Ilmari =?utf-8?Q?Manns=C3=A5ker?=) Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 11:54:43 +0100 Subject: [REMINDER] London Perl M[ou]ngers May Social - 2012-05-03 - The Bridge House, Tower Bridge, SE1 2UP In-Reply-To: ("Dagfinn Ilmari =?utf-8?Q?Manns=C3=A5ker=22's?= message of "Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:14:50 +0100") References: Message-ID: Hi again, This is tonight. See you there! ilmari at ilmari.org (Dagfinn Ilmari Manns?ker) writes: > Hi all, > > The May London.PM social will be this Thursday May 3rd at The Bridge > House by Tower Bridge, which serves foamy Adnams beers, crisp Aspall > ciders and tasty foods. > > The Bridge House > 218 Tower Bridge Road > London SE1 2UP > http://london.randomness.org.uk/wiki.cgi?Bridge_House,_SE1_2UP > > Standard blurb: > > Social meets are a chance for the various members of the group to meet > up face to face and chat with each other about things - both Perl and > (mostly) non-Perl - and newcomers are more than welcome. The monthly > meets tend to be bigger than the other ad hoc meetings that take place > at other times, and we make sure that they're in easy to get to > locations and the pub serves food (meaning that people can eat in the > bar if they want to). They normally start around 6.30pm (or whenever > people get there after work) and a group tends to be left come closing > time. > > If you're a newcomer or other first timer (even if you've been lurking > on the mailing list or on IRC) then please seek our Glorious Leader Tom > out - we have a tradition that the leader of this motley crew buys the > new people a drink and introduces them to people. -- ilmari "A disappointingly low fraction of the human race is, at any given time, on fire." - Stig Sandbeck Mathisen From ilmari at ilmari.org Thu May 3 11:54:43 2012 From: ilmari at ilmari.org (Dagfinn Ilmari =?utf-8?Q?Manns=C3=A5ker?=) Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 11:54:43 +0100 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] [REMINDER] London Perl M[ou]ngers May Social - 2012-05-03 - The Bridge House, Tower Bridge, SE1 2UP In-Reply-To: ("Dagfinn Ilmari =?utf-8?Q?Manns=C3=A5ker=22's?= message of "Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:14:50 +0100") References: Message-ID: Hi again, This is tonight. See you there! ilmari at ilmari.org (Dagfinn Ilmari Manns?ker) writes: > Hi all, > > The May London.PM social will be this Thursday May 3rd at The Bridge > House by Tower Bridge, which serves foamy Adnams beers, crisp Aspall > ciders and tasty foods. > > The Bridge House > 218 Tower Bridge Road > London SE1 2UP > http://london.randomness.org.uk/wiki.cgi?Bridge_House,_SE1_2UP > > Standard blurb: > > Social meets are a chance for the various members of the group to meet > up face to face and chat with each other about things - both Perl and > (mostly) non-Perl - and newcomers are more than welcome. The monthly > meets tend to be bigger than the other ad hoc meetings that take place > at other times, and we make sure that they're in easy to get to > locations and the pub serves food (meaning that people can eat in the > bar if they want to). They normally start around 6.30pm (or whenever > people get there after work) and a group tends to be left come closing > time. > > If you're a newcomer or other first timer (even if you've been lurking > on the mailing list or on IRC) then please seek our Glorious Leader Tom > out - we have a tradition that the leader of this motley crew buys the > new people a drink and introduces them to people. -- ilmari "A disappointingly low fraction of the human race is, at any given time, on fire." - Stig Sandbeck Mathisen From dominic at thoreau-online.net Thu May 3 12:00:27 2012 From: dominic at thoreau-online.net (Dominic Thoreau) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 12:00:27 +0100 Subject: [OT] Are there any Contracts roles open at the moment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2 May 2012 21:19, Aaron Trevena wrote: > > Speaking of which - both my employer and Dominic's are recruiting perl > people (we're in cornwall, they're in london overlooking Tower Bridge > and the "Shard") > > He gets a much better referral bonus than I do, but I'm only 15 mins > from some of the nicest beaches in the country ;p Wasn't sure we were still looking, but when I look on the intranet apparently we are. Still, the signing bonus is balanced by the fact that to the best of my knowledge no one in this department actually knows anyone with perl skills who's actually looking for work. -- Nonnullus unus commodo reddo is mihi. ABC*D1EFGHIJK2.LMNO3*4PQRST*ITUBE-STANDARD-ANTI-BULLSHEIT-EMAIL*U.56X From nick at ccl4.org Thu May 3 12:31:39 2012 From: nick at ccl4.org (Nicholas Clark) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 12:31:39 +0100 Subject: [OT] Are there any Contracts roles open at the moment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120503113139.GJ2604@plum.flirble.org> On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 12:00:27PM +0100, Dominic Thoreau wrote: > On 2 May 2012 21:19, Aaron Trevena wrote: > > > > Speaking of which - both my employer and Dominic's are recruiting perl > > people (we're in cornwall, they're in london overlooking Tower Bridge > > and the "Shard") > > > > He gets a much better referral bonus than I do, but I'm only 15 mins > > from some of the nicest beaches in the country ;p And no hosepipe ban? > Wasn't sure we were still looking, but when I look on the intranet > apparently we are. > Still, the signing bonus is balanced by the fact that to the best of > my knowledge no one in this department actually knows anyone with perl > skills who's actually looking for work. Has your glorious employer actually mailed the job spec to the jobs list? (I've lost track. Base don what Aaron said, I think it might be a "yes", else how did he know when you did not?) Nicholas Clark From aaron.trevena at gmail.com Thu May 3 12:51:58 2012 From: aaron.trevena at gmail.com (Aaron Trevena) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 12:51:58 +0100 Subject: [OT] Are there any Contracts roles open at the moment In-Reply-To: <20120503113139.GJ2604@plum.flirble.org> References: <20120503113139.GJ2604@plum.flirble.org> Message-ID: On 3 May 2012 12:31, Nicholas Clark wrote: > On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 12:00:27PM +0100, Dominic Thoreau wrote: >> On 2 May 2012 21:19, Aaron Trevena wrote: >> > >> > Speaking of which - both my employer and Dominic's are recruiting perl >> > people (we're in cornwall, they're in london overlooking Tower Bridge >> > and the "Shard") >> > >> > He gets a much better referral bonus than I do, but I'm only 15 mins >> > from some of the nicest beaches in the country ;p > > And no hosepipe ban? Yup - no hosepipe ban, and it was hot and sunny yesterday (and I forgot a drink when I went for a lunchtime run so that made it less fun). One colleague had the sense to go for a nice bike ride through tehidy woods (shade, blue bells, lake, rivers and ponds) up to the coastal path atop the cliffs and beaches, while I was being grilled in an oven-like valley with no nice cool breeze. >> Wasn't sure we were still looking, but when I look on the intranet >> apparently we are. >> Still, the signing bonus is balanced by the fact that to the best of >> my knowledge no one in this department actually knows anyone with perl >> skills who's actually looking for work. > > Has your glorious employer actually mailed the job spec to the jobs list? Nope, I've mentioned it to people tho so they'll probably get around to it soon. > (I've lost track. Base don what Aaron said, I think it might be a "yes", > else how did he know when you did not?) I just know things ;) A -- Aaron J Trevena, BSc Hons http://www.aarontrevena.co.uk LAMP System Integration, Development and Consulting From dominic at thoreau-online.net Thu May 3 13:19:15 2012 From: dominic at thoreau-online.net (Dominic Thoreau) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 13:19:15 +0100 Subject: [OT] Are there any Contracts roles open at the moment In-Reply-To: <20120503113139.GJ2604@plum.flirble.org> References: <20120503113139.GJ2604@plum.flirble.org> Message-ID: On 3 May 2012 12:31, Nicholas Clark wrote: > > Has your glorious employer actually mailed the job spec to the jobs list? No. They engaged some recruiters, who in turn don't seem to be enough into the community to know about such things. I should probably post it myself and claim it as a referral. The internal website (and for that matter, claims there's a vacancy, but as I can't tell whether the manager actually has someone in the pipeline (he's not available right now) I'll wait until later. -- Nonnullus unus commodo reddo is mihi. ABC*D1EFGHIJK2.LMNO3*4PQRST*ITUBE-STANDARD-ANTI-BULLSHEIT-EMAIL*U.56X From davehodg at gmail.com Thu May 3 14:48:35 2012 From: davehodg at gmail.com (Dave Hodgkinson) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 14:48:35 +0100 Subject: [OT] Are there any Contracts roles open at the moment In-Reply-To: References: <20120503113139.GJ2604@plum.flirble.org> Message-ID: <49006431-1E76-4277-A83A-540DB4C72C34@gmail.com> On 3 May 2012, at 13:19, Dominic Thoreau wrote: > On 3 May 2012 12:31, Nicholas Clark wrote: >> >> Has your glorious employer actually mailed the job spec to the jobs list? > > No. They engaged some recruiters, who in turn don't seem to be enough > into the community to know about such things. > I should probably post it myself and claim it as a referral. > > The internal website (and for that matter, claims there's a vacancy, > but as I can't tell whether the manager actually has someone in the > pipeline (he's not available right now) I'll wait until later. Dragging this back on topic, are either of these jobs contract? From aaron.trevena at gmail.com Thu May 3 14:54:39 2012 From: aaron.trevena at gmail.com (Aaron Trevena) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 14:54:39 +0100 Subject: [OT] Are there any Contracts roles open at the moment In-Reply-To: <49006431-1E76-4277-A83A-540DB4C72C34@gmail.com> References: <20120503113139.GJ2604@plum.flirble.org> <49006431-1E76-4277-A83A-540DB4C72C34@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 3 May 2012 14:48, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: > Dragging this back on topic, are either of these jobs contract? I believe at least a couple of the London ones will be, yes. They should be on jobs.perl and the london jobs list soonish A. -- Aaron J Trevena, BSc Hons http://www.aarontrevena.co.uk LAMP System Integration, Development and Consulting