From stommepoes at stommepoes.nl  Mon Dec 22 07:35:40 2014
From: stommepoes at stommepoes.nl (Mallory van Achterberg)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 08:35:40 +0100
Subject: New Year's Resolution - Learn Modern Perl
In-Reply-To: <CAN=twKsVoqHtbfSNd-LyB=iFjxTq8xbRJxo+BCYSQ7buvNSzPA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN=twKsVoqHtbfSNd-LyB=iFjxTq8xbRJxo+BCYSQ7buvNSzPA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20141222073540.GB4253@jkva-vps.colo.transip.net>

Can this be x-posted over to SitePoint forums?

At least the class if not the discount (let me know).

_mallory

From andrew at geekuni.com  Mon Dec 22 09:34:45 2014
From: andrew at geekuni.com (Andrew Solomon)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:34:45 +0000
Subject: New Year's Resolution - Learn Modern Perl
In-Reply-To: <20141222073540.GB4253@jkva-vps.colo.transip.net>
References: <CAN=twKsVoqHtbfSNd-LyB=iFjxTq8xbRJxo+BCYSQ7buvNSzPA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20141222073540.GB4253@jkva-vps.colo.transip.net>
Message-ID: <CAN=twKtZ0c9ijzQJ37xb3P7g6w07k1xM636CxCjZnW4-qT5wmQ@mail.gmail.com>

Please do Mallory. In the spirit of the season, send them the discount
coupon too and ask them to let me know that they're acting on your
advice. I'll count up the number (X) who actually stay beyond the
three day trial and, as an act of gratitude, I'll send you a mug:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/129472045 at N05/15397101654/lightbox/

Merry Geekmas!:)

Andrew


On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Mallory van Achterberg
<stommepoes at stommepoes.nl> wrote:
> Can this be x-posted over to SitePoint forums?
>
> At least the class if not the discount (let me know).
>
> _mallory



-- 
Andrew Solomon

Mentor at Geekuni http://geekuni.com/
http://www.linkedin.com/in/asolomon

From steve.mynott at gmail.com  Mon Dec 22 10:41:14 2014
From: steve.mynott at gmail.com (Steve Mynott)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 10:41:14 +0000
Subject: New Year's Resolution - Learn Modern Perl
In-Reply-To: <CAN=twKtZ0c9ijzQJ37xb3P7g6w07k1xM636CxCjZnW4-qT5wmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN=twKsVoqHtbfSNd-LyB=iFjxTq8xbRJxo+BCYSQ7buvNSzPA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20141222073540.GB4253@jkva-vps.colo.transip.net>
	<CAN=twKtZ0c9ijzQJ37xb3P7g6w07k1xM636CxCjZnW4-qT5wmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANuZA8Q1Me-pDkrKsmGD89Etib7-ye6rcFTT8NE25-8SewkQng@mail.gmail.com>

Of course anyone wanting to learn the Very Modern Perl due to be
released in 2015 could take a look at

http://pl6anet.org/

And it doesn't cost a penny! ;-)

On 22 December 2014 at 09:34, Andrew Solomon <andrew at geekuni.com> wrote:
> Please do Mallory. In the spirit of the season, send them the discount
> coupon too and ask them to let me know that they're acting on your
> advice. I'll count up the number (X) who actually stay beyond the
> three day trial and, as an act of gratitude, I'll send you a mug:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/129472045 at N05/15397101654/lightbox/
>
> Merry Geekmas!:)
>
> Andrew
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Mallory van Achterberg
> <stommepoes at stommepoes.nl> wrote:
>> Can this be x-posted over to SitePoint forums?
>>
>> At least the class if not the discount (let me know).
>>
>> _mallory
>
>
>
> --
> Andrew Solomon
>
> Mentor at Geekuni http://geekuni.com/
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/asolomon



-- 
4096R/EA75174B Steve Mynott <steve.mynott at gmail.com>

From richard.foley at rfi.net  Mon Dec 22 11:46:54 2014
From: richard.foley at rfi.net (Richard Foley)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 12:46:54 +0100
Subject: New Year's Resolution - Learn Modern Perl
In-Reply-To: <862538608.3838.1419179767718.JavaMail.root@clues.ltd.uk>
References: <CAN=twKsVoqHtbfSNd-LyB=iFjxTq8xbRJxo+BCYSQ7buvNSzPA@mail.gmail.com>
	<862538608.3838.1419179767718.JavaMail.root@clues.ltd.uk>
Message-ID: <20141222114654.GM3059@thpad.site>

What's that supposed to mean? It seems wildly non-meaningful when related to
the original post. Am I missing something obvious? Can someone please explain,
using short words perhaps?

-- 
Ciao

Richard Foley

http://www.rfi.net/books.html

On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 04:36:07PM +0000, Martin A. Brooks wrote:
> 
> > From: "Andrew Solomon" <andrew at geekuni.com>
> > To: "london pm" <london.pm at london.pm.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, 20 December, 2014 6:36:54 PM
> > Subject: New Year's Resolution - Learn Modern Perl
> > 
> > Start with 'Hello World' then develop a search engine in Perl and an
> > online game powered by Dancer2.
> 
> 
> You've probably just guaranteed that no-one on this list will ever use your services.

From virtuallysue at gmail.com  Mon Dec 22 12:19:11 2014
From: virtuallysue at gmail.com (Sue Spence)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 12:19:11 +0000
Subject: New Year's Resolution - Learn Modern Perl
In-Reply-To: <20141222114654.GM3059@thpad.site>
References: <CAN=twKsVoqHtbfSNd-LyB=iFjxTq8xbRJxo+BCYSQ7buvNSzPA@mail.gmail.com>
	<862538608.3838.1419179767718.JavaMail.root@clues.ltd.uk>
	<20141222114654.GM3059@thpad.site>
Message-ID: <CAB12hvExpm2wWuzhW=miJ_qspwhhvjAbUwaOJf8jVCL-Yg4i3g@mail.gmail.com>

The people working on Perl 6 are getting to a point where they may release
a 1.0 version in 2015. Larry Wall is going to talk about it at FOSDEM in
2015 (that's just a month away). Steve jocularly provided a link to his RSS
aggregator site for Perl 6 news, because this is also "modern perl", and
it's fairly topical.

This is a thread but there is no reason that every single message in it
needs to be 100% directly related to the original posting.

OK?








On 22 December 2014 at 11:46, Richard Foley <richard.foley at rfi.net> wrote:
>
> What's that supposed to mean? It seems wildly non-meaningful when related
> to
> the original post. Am I missing something obvious? Can someone please
> explain,
> using short words perhaps?
>
> --
> Ciao
>
> Richard Foley
>
> http://www.rfi.net/books.html
>
> On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 04:36:07PM +0000, Martin A. Brooks wrote:
> >
> > > From: "Andrew Solomon" <andrew at geekuni.com>
> > > To: "london pm" <london.pm at london.pm.org>
> > > Sent: Saturday, 20 December, 2014 6:36:54 PM
> > > Subject: New Year's Resolution - Learn Modern Perl
> > >
> > > Start with 'Hello World' then develop a search engine in Perl and an
> > > online game powered by Dancer2.
> >
> >
> > You've probably just guaranteed that no-one on this list will ever use
> your services.
>

From virtuallysue at gmail.com  Mon Dec 22 12:25:41 2014
From: virtuallysue at gmail.com (Sue Spence)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 12:25:41 +0000
Subject: New Year's Resolution - Learn Modern Perl
In-Reply-To: <CAB12hvExpm2wWuzhW=miJ_qspwhhvjAbUwaOJf8jVCL-Yg4i3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN=twKsVoqHtbfSNd-LyB=iFjxTq8xbRJxo+BCYSQ7buvNSzPA@mail.gmail.com>
	<862538608.3838.1419179767718.JavaMail.root@clues.ltd.uk>
	<20141222114654.GM3059@thpad.site>
	<CAB12hvExpm2wWuzhW=miJ_qspwhhvjAbUwaOJf8jVCL-Yg4i3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB12hvHRHuBsxYKPqUOt5nsZFtMvZioef5xbgmBdOnv=vEnSJA@mail.gmail.com>

I swear I'm going to stop using gmail.  Sorry Richard.  I thought you'd
read the entire thread, because I often fail to click the tiny ... that
shows me the correct amount of context.  :-)



On 22 December 2014 at 12:19, Sue Spence <virtuallysue at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The people working on Perl 6 are getting to a point where they may release
> a 1.0 version in 2015. Larry Wall is going to talk about it at FOSDEM in
> 2015 (that's just a month away). Steve jocularly provided a link to his RSS
> aggregator site for Perl 6 news, because this is also "modern perl", and
> it's fairly topical.
>
> This is a thread but there is no reason that every single message in it
> needs to be 100% directly related to the original posting.
>
> OK?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 22 December 2014 at 11:46, Richard Foley <richard.foley at rfi.net> wrote:
>>
>> What's that supposed to mean? It seems wildly non-meaningful when related
>> to
>> the original post. Am I missing something obvious? Can someone please
>> explain,
>> using short words perhaps?
>>
>> --
>> Ciao
>>
>> Richard Foley
>>
>> http://www.rfi.net/books.html
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 04:36:07PM +0000, Martin A. Brooks wrote:
>> >
>> > > From: "Andrew Solomon" <andrew at geekuni.com>
>> > > To: "london pm" <london.pm at london.pm.org>
>> > > Sent: Saturday, 20 December, 2014 6:36:54 PM
>> > > Subject: New Year's Resolution - Learn Modern Perl
>> > >
>> > > Start with 'Hello World' then develop a search engine in Perl and an
>> > > online game powered by Dancer2.
>> >
>> >
>> > You've probably just guaranteed that no-one on this list will ever use
>> your services.
>>
>

From richard.foley at rfi.net  Mon Dec 22 19:05:58 2014
From: richard.foley at rfi.net (Richard Foley)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 20:05:58 +0100
Subject: New Year's Resolution - Learn Modern Perl - and how to use a
	mail reader ;)
In-Reply-To: <CAB12hvHRHuBsxYKPqUOt5nsZFtMvZioef5xbgmBdOnv=vEnSJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN=twKsVoqHtbfSNd-LyB=iFjxTq8xbRJxo+BCYSQ7buvNSzPA@mail.gmail.com>
	<862538608.3838.1419179767718.JavaMail.root@clues.ltd.uk>
	<20141222114654.GM3059@thpad.site>
	<CAB12hvExpm2wWuzhW=miJ_qspwhhvjAbUwaOJf8jVCL-Yg4i3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB12hvHRHuBsxYKPqUOt5nsZFtMvZioef5xbgmBdOnv=vEnSJA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20141222190515.GA24335@thpad.site>

Ah, I think I had the same problem, Sue. I now see that Martin retracted his
comment, probably because it was supposed to be funny, but didn't sound correct
without the context. Then I replied to him without seeing the other replies,
(which placed it in context), including yours...

And so on. It would be funny if it wasn't so (coughs) embarrassing.

ps. I can recommend mutt ;)

-- 
Ciao

Richard Foley

http://www.rfi.net/books.html

On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 12:25:41PM +0000, Sue Spence wrote:
> I swear I'm going to stop using gmail.? Sorry Richard.? I thought you'd read
> the entire thread, because I often fail to click the tiny ... that shows me the
> correct amount of context.? :-)
> 
> 
> 
> On 22 December 2014 at 12:19, Sue Spence <virtuallysue at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>     The people working on Perl 6 are getting to a point where they may release
>     a 1.0 version in 2015. Larry Wall is going to talk about it at FOSDEM in
>     2015 (that's just a month away). Steve jocularly provided a link to his RSS
>     aggregator site for Perl 6 news, because this is also "modern perl", and
>     it's fairly topical.
> 
>     This is a thread but there is no reason that every single message in it
>     needs to be 100% directly related to the original posting.?
> 
>     OK?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     On 22 December 2014 at 11:46, Richard Foley <richard.foley at rfi.net> wrote:
> 
>         What's that supposed to mean? It seems wildly non-meaningful when
>         related to
>         the original post. Am I missing something obvious? Can someone please
>         explain,
>         using short words perhaps?
>        
>         --
>         Ciao
> 
>         Richard Foley
> 
>         http://www.rfi.net/books.html
>        
>         On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 04:36:07PM +0000, Martin A. Brooks wrote:
>         >
>         > > From: "Andrew Solomon" <andrew at geekuni.com>
>         > > To: "london pm" <london.pm at london.pm.org>
>         > > Sent: Saturday, 20 December, 2014 6:36:54 PM
>         > > Subject: New Year's Resolution - Learn Modern Perl
>         > >
>         > > Start with 'Hello World' then develop a search engine in Perl and
>         an
>         > > online game powered by Dancer2.
>         >
>         >
>         > You've probably just guaranteed that no-one on this list will ever
>         use your services.
> 

From stommepoes at stommepoes.nl  Tue Dec 23 13:42:45 2014
From: stommepoes at stommepoes.nl (Mallory van Achterberg)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 14:42:45 +0100
Subject: New Year's Resolution - Learn Modern Perl
In-Reply-To: <CAN=twKtZ0c9ijzQJ37xb3P7g6w07k1xM636CxCjZnW4-qT5wmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN=twKsVoqHtbfSNd-LyB=iFjxTq8xbRJxo+BCYSQ7buvNSzPA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20141222073540.GB4253@jkva-vps.colo.transip.net>
	<CAN=twKtZ0c9ijzQJ37xb3P7g6w07k1xM636CxCjZnW4-qT5wmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20141223134245.GA24096@jkva-vps.colo.transip.net>

On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 09:34:45AM +0000, Andrew Solomon wrote:
> Please do Mallory. In the spirit of the season, send them the discount
> coupon too and ask them to let me know that they're acting on your
> advice. I'll count up the number (X) who actually stay beyond the
> three day trial and, as an act of gratitude, I'll send you a mug:

Ha, well unfortunately the Perl area of SitePoint is nearly dead, 
much more so than the language :) But there was recently someone
there asking where to get started do it does get eyeballs now
and then. More likely if anyone signs up, it will be later than
the coupon deadline. Someone might ask, the regular course will be
available afterwards? Like, if someone sees the post in February,
can they enroll? Or is this in real-time?

_mallory

From andrew at geekuni.com  Tue Dec 23 14:13:27 2014
From: andrew at geekuni.com (Andrew Solomon)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 14:13:27 +0000
Subject: New Year's Resolution - Learn Modern Perl
In-Reply-To: <20141223134245.GA24096@jkva-vps.colo.transip.net>
References: <CAN=twKsVoqHtbfSNd-LyB=iFjxTq8xbRJxo+BCYSQ7buvNSzPA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20141222073540.GB4253@jkva-vps.colo.transip.net>
	<CAN=twKtZ0c9ijzQJ37xb3P7g6w07k1xM636CxCjZnW4-qT5wmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<20141223134245.GA24096@jkva-vps.colo.transip.net>
Message-ID: <CAN=twKtCupeML9tDVc8YaHgt8vUOX0+vm5P4BcxGqvZM6OGLQw@mail.gmail.com>

Good point. The courses are running continually with real-ish time
support from me (usually within a day). Enrollment will be possible at
the usual price.

Andrew

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Mallory van Achterberg
<stommepoes at stommepoes.nl> wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 09:34:45AM +0000, Andrew Solomon wrote:
>> Please do Mallory. In the spirit of the season, send them the discount
>> coupon too and ask them to let me know that they're acting on your
>> advice. I'll count up the number (X) who actually stay beyond the
>> three day trial and, as an act of gratitude, I'll send you a mug:
>
> Ha, well unfortunately the Perl area of SitePoint is nearly dead,
> much more so than the language :) But there was recently someone
> there asking where to get started do it does get eyeballs now
> and then. More likely if anyone signs up, it will be later than
> the coupon deadline. Someone might ask, the regular course will be
> available afterwards? Like, if someone sees the post in February,
> can they enroll? Or is this in real-time?
>
> _mallory



-- 
Andrew Solomon

Mentor at Geekuni http://geekuni.com/
http://www.linkedin.com/in/asolomon

From lesleyb at herlug.org.uk  Wed Dec 24 13:19:09 2014
From: lesleyb at herlug.org.uk ('lesleyb')
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:19:09 +0000
Subject: New Year's Resolution - Learn Modern Perl
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1419422400.90577.london.pm@london.pm.org>
References: <mailman.1.1419422400.90577.london.pm@london.pm.org>
Message-ID: <20141224131909.GC31219@pgcroft.net>

> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 14:42:45 +0100
> From: Mallory van Achterberg <stommepoes at stommepoes.nl>
> Subject: Re: New Year's Resolution - Learn Modern Perl
> To: "London.pm Perl M[ou]ngers" <london.pm at london.pm.org>
> Message-ID: <20141223134245.GA24096 at jkva-vps.colo.transip.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 09:34:45AM +0000, Andrew Solomon wrote:
> > Please do Mallory. In the spirit of the season, send them the discount
> > coupon too and ask them to let me know that they're acting on your
> > advice. I'll count up the number (X) who actually stay beyond the
> > three day trial and, as an act of gratitude, I'll send you a mug:
> 
> Ha, well unfortunately the Perl area of SitePoint is nearly dead, 
> much more so than the language :) But there was recently someone
> there asking where to get started do it does get eyeballs now
> and then. More likely if anyone signs up, it will be later than
> the coupon deadline. Someone might ask, the regular course will be
> available afterwards? Like, if someone sees the post in February,
> can they enroll? Or is this in real-time?
> 
> _mallory

I haven't logged into SitePoint for a long while now but the last time I posted
something about Perl -in the Perl section- I was suspected of being a spammer.

Strange but true ..

Lesley


From abuse at cabal.org.uk  Wed Dec 24 15:58:59 2014
From: abuse at cabal.org.uk (Peter Corlett)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 15:58:59 +0000
Subject: Geolocation services: what's good, what's not?
In-Reply-To: <F8F7DC68-D7FF-4E9E-8063-EBD14B4F163C@illuminated.co.uk>
References: <F8F7DC68-D7FF-4E9E-8063-EBD14B4F163C@illuminated.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20141224155859.GA887@mooli.org.uk>

On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 12:49:17AM +0000, Sam Kington wrote:
> The new EU VAT rules require us to work out where a customer is so we can
> charge the right VAT rate.
> https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vat-supplying-digital-services-and-the-vat-mini-one-stop-shop/vat-supplying-digital-services-and-the-vat-mini-one-stop-shop

Not quite.  They require you to collect at least two pieces of *evidence* of
where a customer is, not incontrovertible proof.

> The customer's billing address is obvious, and we can get the issuing bank
> and country from our credit card supplier if they don't do something stupid
> and pay with an American Express card. What about IP addresses, though? What
> do people currently use for geolocation?

I'd just use any plausible free GeoIP database I could blag a copy of, or even
just query whois.ripe.net and parse out the country: field.  Unless you're
wilfully negligent, this should be sufficient.  It already sounds like you're
going way beyond the minimum level of checks acceptable, so I wouldn't worry
too much.


From virtuallysue at gmail.com  Sat Dec 27 13:47:06 2014
From: virtuallysue at gmail.com (Sue Spence)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 13:47:06 +0000
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] London PM January News
Message-ID: <CAB12hvHpUz7cEFfGF+RcnpQpeRAR08rbrgdqTqEMPSno-+n6JQ@mail.gmail.com>

I hope everyone is having a relaxing and enjoyable holiday time. Instead of
a New Year card, you're all getting a newsletter this year. Hurray!

January Socials
The next social is on 8th January at the Melton Mowbray, 18 Holborn EC1N
2LE . Chancery Lane (Central line) is the nearest tube. Why not start the
new year with a pint or two of your favourite beverage with us! You could
also attend the Heretics social on the 15th at the King's Arms Waterloo SE1
8TB.

London Perl Hackday
Following our hackday in September, I've booked another one for 17th
January at the London Hackspace. Hackdays are when we get together to work
on pet projects, brush up on skills, discuss tools and techniques and
generally (I hope) have a bit of technical fun.  Please see this meetup
page for more details and to RSVP:
http://www.meetup.com/London-Perl-Mongers/events/219443728/

London PM Mailing Lists and Server
The London PM server, generously donated by Exonetric Hosting (
http://www.exonetric.com/), run by longtime LPM members Mark Blackman and
Marcus Lauder, needs to be migrated to a nice new one (which we already
have).  The holdup has been where to put our mailing lists, for Reasons.
We are getting ready to migrate them to a Perl mailing list service
developed and run by Sympa, and if not, then the Perl Mongers organisation
will handle this for us.  I am hoping to get this done in the next few
weeks.

Note: if you have any files on windmill.london.pm.org that you want to
keep, you should remove them ASAP.  Once the lists are moved then we will
be cutting over to the new server whenever we think it's ready.

London PM Needs You!
Would you like to help us with social meetings? Do you have any other ideas
for events?  Please speak up.  From February onwards we needs hosts!