Game over. We lost. Nothing to see here, move along.

Aaron Trevena aaron.trevena at
Fri Nov 18 21:07:38 GMT 2005

On 11/18/05, Sebastian Riedel <sri at> wrote:
> 18.11.2005 15:48 Aaron Trevena:
> > I'd certainly like to see more collaboration between catalyst and
> > maypole, Matt and Marcus have both been helpful and cooperative, but I
> > get a lot more stick than anything helpful if I ever try to talk to a
> > catalyst developer in public.
> Then why are YOU kicking and banning me from when i ask
> you about collaboration? (happened 10 minutes ago)

I'm sorry - I didn't realise "ha ha ha you're stealing our ideas, you
are so far behind, we so rock you suck" (to paraphrase) was asking
about collaboration. Besides I didn't ban you - somebody else did. As
patient as I am, sometimes I get fed up with the snide remarks from
catalyst evangelists. My bad. Won't happen again.

> > Maypole and catalyst both share common underlying technologies,
> > programming language and utilise apache/cgi/etc. Maypole and catalyst
> > also have SVN and web provided by the same people (for now at least)
> > so in between the sniping is there is some cooperation.
> They share Perl, thats about it...

They share common problem spaces, both use perl Apache/CGI hooks,
CDBI, Template as the most common setup.

> > Collaboration on standardising behaviour for stuff like the Path
> > attribute, what a word means (driver, model_class, etc), patterns and
> > idioms would be cool.
> So you want to standardize the Path attribute Catalyst is using for
> months, and you've just stolen? :D

Maypole is already using attributes, using an attribute of the same
name in a consistant manner just makes sense. No point in
re-implementing stuff differently for the sake of it.

> There is no "driver" in Catalyst.
> Maypole stuffs actions in the Model while Catalyst distinguishes
> between Controller and Model, how should we standardize?
> What patterns and idioms are you talking about?

Cool. There are differences in philosophy and approach. A useful
explaination of the differenes would be really nice but I haven't seen
one yet.

Like I said, I think there is room for cooperation and collaboration.



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