OT: It's arrived!

Lyle - CosmicPerl.com perl at cosmicperl.com
Tue Nov 6 11:05:12 GMT 2007

Paul Makepeace wrote:
> On Nov 6, 2007 2:16 AM, chromatic <chromatic at wgz.org> wrote:
>> On Monday 05 November 2007 17:48:58 Lyle - CosmicPerl.com wrote:
>>> Likewise I'll not employ a sysadmin until I understand most
>>> of these things and how they work together, otherwise I'll not be in a
>>> good position to make a good selection.
>> That's kind of an epistemological problem (Hi Simon!): how are you going to be
>> able to evaluate the resources you need to use to learn these things if you
>> don't believe you know enough to evaluate system administrators
> Out of a set of inputs you can correlate for internal consistency, and
> discard outliers. If you do this iteratively and match against past
> results and deductions your filter should get better & better. So long
> as you didn't start out with a pile of crap :)
> **
> Lyle you seem to have a false dichotomy between DIY & employing a
> sysadmin. There is a middle ground of using a hosting service that
> manages hardware. Certainly until you actually have a deployable site
> you're wasting money buying hardware simply because it isn't being
> used to its full potential. In other words your assets are
> depreciating without generating revenue. Better to get everything set
> up on e.g. a tenner/month VM somewhere and when it's ready consider
> moving up the hosting chain. (VM's are nicer to learn on too.) It
> could be six months even a year before your site gets to full traffic.
> In that time technology will've marched on and what you spent now will
> buy shinier toys...
I was on £10/month hosting over 8 years ago. I've already moved up the 
chain to a dedicated box and now my own co-lo. My software is CPU 
intensive and not Bandwidth intensive, a co-lo machine was the most cost 
effective way of doing it and I saved myself a lot of money even without 
the hosting service being launched yet. A VPS wouldn't have had enough 
RAM, and a dedicated box with a good CPU and RAM spec would have cost me 
hundreds a month.
I didn't know about load balancing or remote BMC, but I do now. You seem 
to be under the impression that I haven't a clue, when I know about a 
great many things of running a web server. IPtables, Apache with SuEXEC 
and script controls working, Tomcat, BIND, SpamAssassin, loads of stuff.

> I realize ultimately none of this you really want to hear. You just
> want to get your hands on shiny toys YESTERDAY.
> P
>> -- c

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