OT: It's arrived!
Lyle - CosmicPerl.com
perl at cosmicperl.com
Tue Nov 6 19:21:57 GMT 2007
> Lyle - CosmicPerl.com wrote:
>> Been lurking (and sometimes posting) in my local LUG for some time. Will
>> post any hosting related queries there in future.
> If you do that, in a month or so this mailing list will go into the next
> phase of its cycle, which is agonized soul-searching about how perl
> programmers' bitchiness and inability to relate like normal folks is
> responsible for the decline of the language...
I think those are some great comments.
All this has certainly helped me put together a rules list for
Bristol.pm and Bath.pm.
I've always thought that Perl is for everyone, and anyone who's keen
to learn should be welcomed and get help. Sometimes a newbies questions
seem stupid, but we were all newbies once, we all had to learn, and we
all had stupid questions of our own. Perl knowledge isn't something that
should be locked away in a box where you have to push in your pennies to
get the answers. That defeats the whole point in Perl, and what Larry
intended it to be. It's open source, it's free, remember that!
Nasty comments, personal insults, virtual threats??? Anger, hatred,
the dark side are they. Is this really what has become of 'a selected
few' of the world renowned LPM?
From the london.pm.org homepage - "
So, what is this all about ?
We are a group of people dedicated to the encouragement of all things
Perl-like in London. This involves *helping* each other, *discussing
<http://london.pm.org/join/> * topics, *sharing* information and the
occasional drink and mention of Buffy the Vampire Slayer."
I can tell you that Bristol and Bath.pm will be a friendly place where
new comers are welcomed, and their questions answered maybe with a
little jest and humor, but not with insults.
In one of my many quests to understand women I read a book by a
psychologist. In that book there was a section about arguing, and how to
argue right. Where the psychologist had trained the professors had set
rules as to how they would handle disputes, when the comments or actions
of a college upset them.
Firstly they should talk to them about it as soon as it was suitable,
and not let it eat at them and turn into something nasty.
Secondly they were allowed to express to each other exactly how
frustrated they were, and how strongly they felt, but they were never
allowed to digress to personal insults or threats.
"The comments you made about XXX really annoyed me earlier, I think you
are wrong and this is why..." is fine
or even "The comments you made about XXX really pissed me off earlier, I
think you are wrong and this is why..."
whereas something like "The comments you made about XXX are stupid,
don't you know anything?? What are you some sort of cheap skate that
can't even figure out you need to pay someone to do that for you as you
are never going to be smart enough to figure it out you thick shit.
Here, if you must, lookup this, now fuck off!"
Would not be the right way to get across your feelings.
If you think of arguments you've had in the past you'll probably see how
effective this is and is, IMHO the best thing I took away from the book
(although it can be pretty frustrating when you're girlfriend is
slagging you off in an argument, although when she calms down you'll get
respect for keeping the moral high ground and she'll feel bad for it).
I know I'm not perfect, my communication skills aren't great and unless
you know me then I assume that some of my comments can be taken the
wrong way. I can admit that I'm wrong some times. I did a post where I
said someone's threat to me was pathetic, that was wrong. He could well
have taken me saying pathetic personally.
I have a *Dream*!
Where a Perl hack isn't judged by the colour of his *skills*!
But by his eagerness and ability to *learn*!
I apply this to my business and my kick boxing club. If I interview
someone who is arrogant and thinks they know it all, then I show them
the door. I won't be able to work with them, they won't be able to learn
new ways of doing things. If I have a kick boxing student who is
naturally gifted but has no passion to learn, and another who isn't as
naturally gifted but is eager to practice and learn. I know from
experience that the first is likely to give up as soon as he tries a
technique he can't do, or looses a fight. Whereas the second is much
more likely to get his black belt or become a Champion.
Just my 2 quid...
I'm here to stay :)
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