aaron.trevena at gmail.com
Fri Apr 4 10:53:07 BST 2008
On 04/04/2008, Jonathan Stowe <jns at gellyfish.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-04-04 at 10:00 +0100, Aaron Trevena wrote:
> > On 04/04/2008, Jonathan Tweed <jonathan at tweed.name> wrote:
> > > > Perl still isn't dead, it's still kicking, and it will be around for a
> > > > while.
> > > Just like COBOL.
> > There really isn't any comparison.
> > How many people are teaching themselves COBOL, how many people are
> > building startups on COBOL, how many new open source projects were
> > written or released in COBOL this year?
> That isn't a good comparison either - remember what the 'B' in COBOL
> stands for.
Indeed. But it was just to counter the whole "no new people, new
projects, new startups" nonsense.
> Also people keep mentioning "startups" in this thread and it is annoying
> me, what has "startups" got to do with anything? There are a lot of
> startups that don't use computers at all for their core business - like
> ice cream shops and coffee bars and cleaning companies, except what
> people mean by startups in this thread are crappy little web sites full
> of vacuous ideas and rounded corners with no business plan, I don't
> believe that is a clear indicator of anything - personally I'd rather
> they'd all fuck off and do their stuff in PHP or whatever is fashionable
> today and let the rest of us get on with writing code for businesses
> that know what they are doing.
See above. Personally I agree.
My client is a startup (well, it has VC backing and is only a couple
of years old), PHP wouldn't be up to the job.
It's pretty big, #1 or #2 in most of it's markets, and I'm finding it
both a challenging and interesting job, mostly because high
load/traffic can result in behaviour and problems you don't see in
most run of the mill websites.
The real problems are a combination of too many new features too soon
and underinvestment in hardware/staff in relation to both predicted
and actual growth - but in a VC-backed startup that's nearly always
the case (too slow to grow - you die, too slow to add new features -
you die, focussing on anything other than growing fast - you run out
of funding before the revenue covers the costs).
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