Uri Guttman uri at
Fri Dec 9 15:06:50 GMT 2011

On 12/09/2011 09:08 AM, Avleen Vig wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 4:09 AM, Uri Guttman<uri at>  wrote:
>> On 12/09/2011 02:58 AM, Rudolf Lippan wrote:
>>>   On Friday, December 09, 2011 at 02:23:22 AM, Avleen Vig wrote:
>>    My understanding is that NAP had a very hard time finding people in the
>>>   US---I know I passed their posts by before. I had serious concerns after
>>>   talking to them, and the recruiter kept me from jumping 3 or 4 times
>>>   during the process explaining, "They don't understand the US market".
>>>   I estimate that commission for my position alone would have probably
>>>   be around 54K, but I think it was probably worth it from what I saw of
>>>   NAP recruitment.
>> where did you get that figure? given the standard rate of 20% (and i
>> know since i recruit) or even less, that would mean a salary of over
>> 250k which is ridiculous but for a handful of perl hackers i know about
>> (merlyn!).
> Not hardly. Google regularly pays around this number for good programmers
> (read: good, not exceptional) in New York.
> This does include things like stock options etc, not just base pay.

i know that number but stock options are about 50% of that. it is a risk 
and not guaranteed. base pay is about $140k or so plus bonus. i know 
someone (whom i placed 6 years ago) was getting about $200k including 
bonus. he got much less when he first started. as i said, i know salary 
numbers because it is my business to know them. almost no one gets $250k 
base and i mean salaried, not consulting. $120/hr is already $240k a 
year and very achieveable as a consultant.

> And I don't know if merlyn is on this list (hi randal! long time no
> speak!), but he's out in Portland last I heard, and wages there are a lot
> lot lower than new york - but quality of life is arguably much, much higher
> too :-)

i know what merlyn asks and gets as i represented him to a ny place. it 
was more likely consulting than salary but he delivers the goods. 
regardless, the $54k commission is the figure that sticks out. i would 
love to get actual facts on that and not third hand information.


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